Were birthers a bunch of nut jobs?

Much has been said of those that questioned Obama's birth certificate. They have been made fun of and called all kinds of names. But did they have a legitimate reason to question Obama's birth place? Did Obama fuel the debate by refusing to list his long form for years? Well yes they did and yes he did. That is because Hawaii issues several types of birth certificate and you can be born outside of Hawaii and still get an Hawaiian birth certificate if the parents were residents of Hawaii at least one year prior to the birth of the child. Here is the statue that says so and two of several different Hawaiian birth certificates The one on the left is like the one Obama put out and it is like the one that would be issued if born out of the country, or like a short form. The one on the right is the regular birth certificate and would only be issued to native born. If Obama had shown the one on the right from the start, there wouldn't have been any controversy over it. But he refused for years and of course we know his family lived abroad for some years. So if anyone is to blame for keeping the issue alive for years, it's Obama.

[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.

(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.

(c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.htm


Click to see pictures of the two birth certificates.

http://peoplespassions.org/peoplesvoice/BirthCerts/Archive/Birth_Certificate.htm

 

great thread, thank you. I, am one of those very people that you speak of. it never mattered to me what the obots thought, because they operate via groupthink and mob mentality. they employ tactics that they don't know well, they are the proverbial kid that finds their parents' gun.

it's really this simple, if senator obama was a republican, the press would have excoriated, and destroyed the concept, and the man.

what kind of a country have we become, where the media proactively covers not just the scandal, but belittles every person who wants to know why. I can tell the controversy is growing, despite the army of obama disinformation warriors. soon they will dry up and fade away, just because their candidate may have "gotten away with something", matters not, this beautiful country will never succumb to the idealistic, in this case, radical "transformation", desires of a few.

we will learn from all of this, so it can never, ever, happen again. people are beginning to see the truth about their cult of personality, Manchurian candidate. transparent are the lies and the false promises, you can see it at every level of our flailing, failing executive branch. it's us not being afraid, that they fear the most.

see you in the miscellaneous, other, section of conspiracy theory (that says something too), hidden like the crazy mother from Hitchcock's psycho.
"no mother, she's all alone".... lol

we have never been crazy racist or stupid, only curious about the questions, it's our right to know....we are patriots, we love our country just as much as anyone else, no one will ever take that away.

cheers.

 

Obama gave his short form in 2008... and later the long form, didn't matter then nuts were still not happy

 

Obvious, total and comical nutjobs, the whole crazy racist gang!

 

if obama wasn't eligible, the gop would never have allowed him to run

the bottom line is that he was born in hawaii and duly elected president twice

yes, they are a bunch of nut jobs

 

Calling birthers nut-jobs, is being kind. They make the 9/11 truthers seem sane.

 

I guess in hindsight he should have just provided everything right at the get go. We are still trying to figure out his family tree- new members have been added the past two years now, Trayvon and Haidya, I mean its never ending. Its pretty insane that people will let crap slide just because they wanted a black president.

 

he provided everything that was necessary in the beginning

 

Absolutely,positively 100% Plus NOT.In fact as each day goes by more and more
sane americans are going to come to the obvious conclusion that the Birther
Movement was just a typical Obama ploy used to distract and shift any onus
away from Obama.That Obama is 100% a demagogue.His number one mission is
to eliminate any and all Opposition at any and all costs.
Concocting a term [ Birther ] was just the Laziest of ways to besmirch and
demonize a person.The way the Tea Party was ostracized and Astro-turfed.
The way anyone opposing Obamacare was also Astro-turfed.Anyone questioning
Obama's way of Campaigning was also demonized.
Obama got so emboldened he felt he could just make up a story about
some Mohammad Video as the sole reason for the Benghazi attack.
Even going so far as to personally embarass General Petraeus,use Susan
Rice and anyone as fodder for his craven ways of Spinning and crafting new
ploys.Being Birthered was just a Ploy.
The way the NRA are being Birthered.The way Catholics and Christians are being
Birthere'd in the public schools.The way the Associated Press has Banned the
use of the word { Islamist }.
Starting to get the drift.

 

We have become the kind of country where the liberals flock to the media jobs. They run on emotion, not facts, so anything that provides them opportunity to be "dramatic" draws them like flies. Why do you think the overwhelming majority of hollyweird actors and actresses are nut bags so far to the left it's sickening? It's all about the drama.

Remember the day when the news was just...the news. Now it's a 24/7 drama fest. We don't get "the news" anymore. We get a blurb about something that happened, then hours of drama queens telling us all what they think or feel about it.

The leftists have also invaded academia. They are working hard to brainwash our kids. I have two hardcore liberals in my family (through marriage). The male of the pair has spent the last 14 years "in school". The female is a teacher and spent some time in South America working for the Peace Corp and flits about the globe on "educational trips" to obscure places. They both proudly admit, and they have said it on more than one occasion, that they voted for obutthead "because we wanted to be able to say we voted for the first black president" (and that is an actual quote from them). Of course, they lived on all sorts of government assistance throughout the years and they are diehard vegans...well, they were. Their offspring were chronically ill for the first several years and their doctor told them they needed to feed the kids some meat. So now they actually eat "organic" meats, like turkey or chicken and as they say, they "tolerate" it.

They are currently bemoaning the fact that they still aren't making much of a living because teachers don't get paid enough and are all up in arms now over budget cuts in their little bubble world. They are "staying strong though" and "won't be deterred on their goal of changing the world".

I guess elections do have consequences after all.

 

let's see some evidence to support that claim

that sounds like the nut cases that fell for the lie that obama was born in kenya

 

Personally, I don't care if President Obama was born in the U.S. ... or not. Nevertheless, the birther issue is suspicious and unclear. It should be patently obvious to everyone that Obama's biological mother is not a white woman. It is clear that Obama has not a trace of white characteristics -- the white woman who is claimed to be his mother -- adopted him.

Obama's birth certificate is also suspicious. It is not a standard birth certificate such as every one else's. Of course, the Hawaiian, Democratic-run department of vital statistics has managed to publicly display a "certified and sworn" birth certificate claimed to be the original, but it is not quite like all the other birth certificates. And absolutely no one has proof that they have seen the Hawaiian original. Obama's original (if there ever was one) was likely in the possession of his Kenyan, biological mother -- unless the Kenyan Government seized it and destroyed the evidence.

And in any case, it wouldn't -- and shouldn't make any difference.

Thank you

 

Birthers are definitely a bunch of nut jobs. They don't like the idea of a leftist African-American President so they start inventing issues about whether Obama is truly American. Why is it that no Birther has ever tackled the most obvious source of proof as to Barack's origins: where his mother was on the day of his birth? Getting into elaborate conspiracy theories about the validity of legal documents at the expense of a straight-forward common sense answer bears all the earmarks of a true conspiracy nut job.

 

Let's hope that enough people can see through the veil of liberal/progressive media bias and understand that focusing on a birth certificate that Hawaii will issue to a pig if he knows someone that has lived in Hawaii at one time and look instead at the school records that show BH Obama to be an Indonesian exchange student.

Sadly, the liberal press would just attribute BH Obama's school records showing him to be a citizen of Indonesia as a small fraud perpetrated by his slut mother. Just because he was adopted by an Indonesian man and indoctrinated in a muslim school doesn't change his natural born status and I would agree because his father of record was never an American citizen so he couldn't be a natural born citizen if he was born in the Lincoln bedroom at the White House.

 

More leftist obfuscation.

No one "made up" anything, questions were asked and the administration danced and shifted and delayed for years.

If it's not a "conspiracy" theory, why then was so much ado made by the administration? Why were the questions not just simply answered and the documentation provided post haste?

"Validity of legal documents"....part of the issue. After years of tap dancing, the "documents" provided don't pass muster.

After long delays and questionable "documentation" gets provided, only a sane, logical person, regardless of political affiliation begins to question what's going on.

Of course, I have no illusions the lefties have an ounce of intellectual integrity or grasp basic logic at all, so I'm not surprised at all the bluster, grandiose lies and exaggerated BS they continue to spew about it.

 

There was a Media blackout virtually on any effort to Authenticate the last Obama
Fake BC or the Long Form vs. the COLB.Because it could Not pass muster.
It was Computer generated as many experts stated.It was hard to get experts
to come forth.Obama also implicated himself by Publically coming forth and
vouching for the veracity of that Long Form.It that Long Form could have been
proven a fake,then Obama Implicated himself.That is why nothing was done.
Just like the way Nothing is being done in reporting a huge story.
The current media blackout of Dr.Death's trial { Kermit Gosnell }
Get the drift.
We have a State Run media.That is why Birther reporting was so off the chart Bias.

 

Were they nut jobs? They still are. Even today they insist he's not American. The whole thing was and is laughably stupid. Even on the very surface, does anyone really think the Democrats or the Republicans would have let him run if he did not meet the necessary requirements? They know more about the candidates than the candidates do. But at the end of the day you cannot solve for stupid.

 

Lol, everything in his book has been thoroughly debunked, and you know that

 

Why is a thread about bat(*)(*)(*)(*) crazy birthers in current events? Every bither nutjob theory has been completely debunked.

This belongs in the conspiracy section with the rest of the birther threads

 

The birther claims are interesting, because they don't happen in a vacuum. If you scratch the birthers, you do NOT find a cross-section of the political spectrum, just regular people who are concerned about a possible ambiguity. Instead, you find without exception virulent anti-Obama fanatics willing to snag any excuse however threadbare, and who won't take facts for an answer.

Now, every President who is elected, is strongly opposed by a good many people of the opposite party. What's interesting here is the nature of the opposition, which is not political in any way. It's sheer blind hatred, and it makes an interesting pattern. After all, McCain wasn't even born in the US, but nobody ever said a word.

Nor is Kenya itself any sort of poliical enemy. I suspect Obama's problem is that he LOOKS wrong.

 

What is funny, John McMcCain's claim to American citizenship was actually weaker than Obama's. But the birthers seem to forget that

 

Yes.

Most birthers are borderline retarded. But worse, they are hypocrites. They are applying a ridiculous standard to Obama that they would never apply to themselves.

 

Yes, obviously, but we must not underestimate the comic contribution of Taitz, Trump, and the easily-led-astray TPs.

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In their desperation to delegitimate a popularly-elected president, bobble-headed ditto-disciples were wee wee'd up by their radio overlords persisted to the point that they became an embarrassment, even to relatively moderate irrational President haters.

When right-wing mikejock Laura Ingraham tried to dismiss the lunacy by noting (correctly) that not one Republican in Congress was claiming that Obama had failed to produce the required document, the fringe should have taken the hint and simulated sanity - even at the price of killing the joke.