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What’s Happened to the GOP?

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by opion8d, Jul 16, 2019.

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  1. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    Only 1 R on this site has said he needs to shut up.
    The rest say, as long as he keeps up with his racist policies, they don't care what he says.
     
    dairyair, Jul 16, 2019
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  2. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    Your non judgmental way? You brought up white working class. As if no other working class matters, in your 1st post.
     
    dairyair, Jul 16, 2019
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  3. carlosofcali

    carlosofcali Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Look into the faces of Romney/ McConnell/ Thune today. Disgust is hard to conceal even for politicians. Trump's imprint is devastating to the nation.

    "I believe that what this president has done to our culture, to our civic discourse ... you cannot unring these bells and you cannot unsay what he has said, and you cannot change that he has now in a very short time made it seem normal for schoolboy taunts and obvious lies to be spun out in a constant stream. I think this will do more lasting damage than Richard Nixon's surreptitious burglaries did."
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/15/politics/donald-trump-george-will-presidency/index.html
     
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    carlosofcali, Jul 16, 2019
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  4. Phyxius

    Phyxius Well-Known Member

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    Goldwater would be considered a lib-loving RINO in this climate. Hell, so would Reagan...
     
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    Phyxius, Jul 17, 2019
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    Pycckia Well-Known Member

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    Of course it is about race. American politics is always about race.
     
    Pycckia, Jul 17, 2019
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  6. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Much of what you say is correct and insightful but you missed an important part of the story. The demise of the GOP started before Reagan hit the stage - it just had not yet manifested itself to the degree that we see today.

    Goldwater - "Godfather of Conservatism" and the fellow who predicted the demise of the GOP- would be kicked out of today's party.

    Do you not agree ?

    The religious right is in large part responsible for the demise of the GOP.
     
    Giftedone, Jul 17, 2019
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  7. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    You mean the treatment they get because dems won't plug the loop holes in the asylum system or provide sufficient money or staffing to do the job right and then lie through their teeth about what's actually happening?
     
    garyd, Jul 17, 2019
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  8. Phyxius

    Phyxius Well-Known Member

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    RepubliKKKlanners had TWO FRIGGIN' YEARS before 2019 to do it themselves. They couldn't even keep the government open that entire time. This is all on the GOP. Own that chit.
     
    Phyxius, Jul 17, 2019
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  9. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Nonsense, without the religious right the GOP would have slid into irrelevance decades ago. Without the religious right Reagan never becomes President. Goldwater like him or loathe him was not the father of modern conservatism but of modern libertarianism
     
    garyd, Jul 17, 2019
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  10. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Lame . The Damn Neo cons are owned by K street. They want open borders just as bad as you do but for different reasons, there's being that it depresses labor costs.The Neo Cons and their servitors like Ryan are mostly gone now. So what the hell is the dems excuse for their failure to act? And let's not forget that REpubs never had enough of a majority in the senate to force cloture even if the K streeters were on board
     
    garyd, Jul 17, 2019
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    Not me , i love trumps tweets.
     
    therooster, Jul 17, 2019
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    No, because Trump won't supply sufficient staffing and tries to have his friend plug the loopholes after his friend was found to be unqualified by the Army Corps of Engineers. Trump also refused to hire more immigration judges and turned down 25 billion dollars from Congress for his wall. He operates in chaos, does no due diligence, makes decisions based upon his "gut" and lies through his "teeth"
    about what is actually happening.
     
    ibobbrob, Jul 17, 2019
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  13. garyd

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    You can't hire people without funding. And it doesn't help when people are constantly lying about the people already doing yeoman's work trying to keep a system leftists broke up and running.
     
    garyd, Jul 17, 2019
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    I don't know any Republicans that think of Trump as our spiritual leader.
     
    perdidochas, Jul 17, 2019
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    Democrats broke up 0. Trump was offered enough money to get the ball rolling, and he turned it down.
     
    ibobbrob, Jul 17, 2019
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  16. garyd

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    Because they weren't interested I fixing anything and tried to micromanage how the money was spent. The cabal of open borders Democrats and cheap labor Republicans weren't going to apply meaningful aid and assistance I know, Trump knew it and you certainly should have recognized the bait and switch proposal Trump was offered.
     
    garyd, Jul 17, 2019
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    Good bedtime story, but wrong. Trump accepted the offer and then played a round of golf with that stalwart Limbaugh fella and listened to Limbaugh, of all people, and then changed his mind. He had the money to spend on his wall so there was no micromanagement since it was for his wall. And someone has to manage Trump anyway since he is incompetent.
     
    ibobbrob, Jul 17, 2019
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    I did not say he was the father of modern conservatism ... that would be more like Jerry Falwell. Regardless it matters not.

    Your claim is unsupported - why you think unsupported claims have merit - I do not know - and your prediction is not worth much without explanation.

    The platforms of the right that are responsible for the demographic time bomb on the right are in large part due to the religious right. Issues such as abortion and gay marriage, puritanism in general - and not respecting separation of church and state.

    You then have the problem of the Red Establishments hate for individual liberty and the founding principles in general (much of which comes from the religious right trying to make law - albeit this is often indirect and not as well known). The Left does this too but are just much better at hiding it.

    The last election should scare the heck out of Red. Clinton was a disaster - the most horrible candidate imaginable. She was an establishment insider running in an anti establishment election - a movement which was strong on both sides of the fence. Then Clinton and the DNC got caught doing nasty things to Sanders. Many AE voters simply did not show up. Trump touted an AE message and while we did not know for sure that he was AE - we did not know he wasn't either. With Hillary you knew.

    Clinton's personality is like nails on a chalkboard - so arrogant and condescending - its so bad that even many Dem women do not like her (but voted holding noses). Clinton had no message - nothing to vote for - all she did was " Bad Trump, Bad Trump" like a parrot on a broken record.

    YET - despite being as bad as she was - despite getting caught red handed - "meddling with our election process" - Clinton still got the majority of the popular vote. This fact should (and does) scare the heck out of Red

    4 years will have passed since the last election = more of the pro Red side dying off and more of the pro Blue side turning voting age.
    Blue does not have to do anything but not shoot their own own foot to win - although they seem hellbent on doing this - going way to far the the extreme and all the PC nonsense.
     
    Giftedone, Jul 17, 2019
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    Booooguuuss. There was never going to be money for that wall. There wasn't any in the bill. It was another Wimpy bill. You know will give you wall funding next year if you'll pretend we did something today.
     
    garyd, Jul 17, 2019
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    Doesn't matter what the outcome of the meeting. Trump is his own worst enemy. No due diligence on a wall, which makes his demand for it questionable.
    Mexico will pay, yes?
     
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  21. dairyair

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    So, no problems with people calling the R party and supporters racist then?

    It should not be about race. Skin color or ethnicity should not matter if people are adept, capable, honest type people. What difference does skin color or sexual orientation, or sex of a person matter?
    HINT: It doesn't
     
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    You know it is one thing to move the goal posts a bit. It is quite another to punt them into orbit.
    Much f this is laughable, Like it or not the churches that are dying are pro gay marriage.The churches that are growing are not.

    like it or not liberty is not even distantly related to libertineism. The man who cannot or will not restrain his own baser passions is a slave to those passions however desperately he wishes to pretend otherwise. Got a lot of young people our church right now...
     
    garyd, Jul 17, 2019
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  23. dairyair

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    He said they would. Had a plan laid out on his campaign website. He'd have them begging to pay for the wall in 3 days per his plan.
    Now, that plan is no where to be found.
    Liar in chief. Who could support such a liar?
     
    dairyair, Jul 17, 2019
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    carlosofcali, Jul 17, 2019
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    What is laughable ? You can't even manage to state what you think is "laughable" ... Do you have no ability to make a coherent claim ? never mind a coherent argument.

    Then you spew some gibberish about dying churches being pro gay marriage - but not in any way relating this to my comments - and then using some anectodal nonsense about your church having young people as an argument against the well established demographic time bomb studies.

    This is nonsense.
     
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