What’s Happened to the GOP?

What should bother voters is the fact the only message the Dems have put out for the last 60 is "The other guy is worse' which is usually an obvious lie.

 

Dude dems have been wedges and using pry bars on the American people for most of there history If Republicans defending themselves against Democratic calumny is divisive why isn't all that Democrat slander that compels it.

 

From the outside looking in, the problem is politics in general, it has become too partisan and is all about one-upmanship rather than compromise.

Both parties are a shower of ****, much like here in the UK. Pardon the pun but black and white politics are the politics of a retard and can never have a positive outcome.

 

The above is made up and unsubstantiated nonsense - rank generalization fallacy, and patent falsehood. You live in some kind of black vs white - good vs evil - God vs Devil - paradigm ... where your side is all good and the other is all evil.

Given our religious discussion - I can only conclude that this is due to your religious perspective. While I would only need one example of a message from the Dems which was other than "the other guy is worse" - to prove your claim completely false - how many would do it for you ?

The answer is that no matter how many examples I would give - this would not satisfy you. You mind is made up and no amount of evidence to the contrary is going to change your mind.

 

Each party puts that message out. That details how intellectually and morally bankrupt our 2 party system is.

 

Actually, your claims are very much dyslexic- the aberrations apply to the democratic party for the most part. Parties are not representative of their individual members, and both will have their better and worse- but when leadership of a party foregoes common sense, justice and morality, they become dangerous to themselves and others. That is where the Dems and Libs are today.

Hate and fear is not the mantra of the GOP, however calling out hate and fear mongering is happening everyday by conservatives, and rightly so- because those are the things damaging the nation.
The Dems and libs OWN the hate and fear message in our current politics. We have people on this forum who post about Trump everyday, and invariably refer to him with slander and abuse. It is THEIR MANTRA.
They live it, eat it, breathe it.

 

AOC is a white chick, surely.

 

Actually no since before Reagan the GOP has been the party of ideas, the Dems the party of personal attacks. The republicans are the opportunity party the Dems the more government party. Now to be fair during the time Neocons have had a death grip on the GOP hierarchy those same Neocons haven't really been all that willing to fight for less government but being at heart the heirs of the old Scoop Jackson Democrats one should really expect them to. After all there is damn little evidence they care about much beyond the military getting its fair share of the budget and giving lip service to balanced budgets. Always remember when you hear the term compassion fall from the mouth of a politician that the only thing the person mouthing that nonsense for public consumption truly is passionate about is increasing the power of government over your day to day existence..

 

My post sir reflects around 60 years of following politics in this country. I live in a world largely created by Democratic propaganda and malfeasance and I've watched it unfold during my life time. The Dems had this country pretty much lock stock and barrel from 1932 to 1994 during which time they had exclusive control of the house and a Republic party that as Newt Gingrich put it was quite content in its role as tax collector for whatever nonsense the dems wanted to do next when they didn't beat them to the punch. That begin to change with Goldwater, the only true libertarian to ever head a national ticket for a major party, who got his ass beat like a drum largely because of commercials run by the Democratics that painted him as a crazy warmongering tool. Nixon beat LBJ stand in Hubert Humphrey be campaigning on peace with honor and convincing George Wallace to run an independent campaign for President which split the Democratic vote in the South right down the Middle and allowed Nixon to win the South. The far left riot start by SDS and its various allies in Chicago during Democratic National convention did not help matters either. Almost no one really remembers what issues Happy Humphrey ran on which was likely some variation on the usual stay the course one gets during even an undeclared war. I will cheerfully agree that Humphrey did not go negative. It simply wasn't in the man nicknamed the Happy Warrior to do so. Carter, arguable among the country's most ineffectual and whiniest presidents spent his entire campaign pounding Ford for pardoning Nixon and won a fairly narrow victory and then proceeded to screw up almost every foreign policy issue with which he had to deal . Interestingly enough on the Domestic front he government little different from Nixon who had beaten McGovern, in part by promising to fully fund LBJ's Great Society programs leaving McGovern to run as little other than a full fledged Surrender monkey and blame Nixon for a war that had largely been fought and funded by Democrats four a decade and a half.

Then came Reagan, the first real Idea president since FDR. and the left's response was to call him names, fascist, racist, you know the drill, stupid you name it. The left doubled down on everything they ever called Nixon or Ford or Ike. And it didn't work they made up crap about his time as governor of California and that simple Phrase "There you go again" dynamited the lies. Carter took the worst shellacking of any president ever till that time only to be out done by Mondale four years later.

There are always exceptions to every rule. The only thing Clinton pounded against Daddy Bush. was the economy. It worked the combination of Daddy Bush going back on his no new taxes pledge, and Democrat chickens. the destruction of the New England pleasure boat business and the savings and loan industry, coming home to roost on his watch along with Ross Perot ended daddy Bush after one term. Clintons libido crippled his presidency along with wide spread corruption within the Democratically control congress and the Gingrich Republican congress took control eventually forcing Clinton to sign off on several things he would not otherwise have done.including various measures that brought the country as close to a balanced budget as it had been at any time since 1928.
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Gary - you claimed that "the only message Dem's have put out for 60 years was - the other guy is worse" This is patently false. Listing a bunch of Dem foibles - does not change this fact. I can list a bunch of GOP foibles but this does not mean that the only message they have put out for 60 years has been "the other guy is worse". Why ? because I know this fallacious generalization and I try not to engage in obvious logical fallacy.

I noticed that you did backtrack on this claim in the above post - which is good.

You seem to have a pair of big time rose colored classes with respect to the GOP. I was around and into politics over the majority of the last 60 years as well .. in particular from Carter on. You do a nice summary of some election issues but typical election name calling does not mean that "the only message for Dems is that the GOP is worse".

Your take on Reagan is revisionist history. I am a fiscal conservative (meaning old style conservative as opposed to religious right conservative) Reagan was a princess with a credit card. He was not that popular either until his attempted assassination if you recall. Other than his good work with Gorby - his foreign policy was a nightmare .. and the list of atrocities is long.

It wasn't that Gingrich, Red Congress and Clinton wanted to increase taxes and reign in spending - They Had Too ! Reagan's fiscal policies - were so obscene that by the time these folks took power the interest on our debt was 25% of income. At 30% - red lights and alarm bells go off at the IMF - the ship is taking on water faster than it can be bailed out. Reagan was also the beginning of the disasterous war on drugs policy.

Anyway - Red has lost its way. Red establishment hates the principles of Republicanism. They hate individual liberty and they love big Gov't and increasing Gov't power - especially Police power at the expense of individual liberty. Red Establishment hates fair and free markets and loves Monopolism/Oligopolism. They love outsourcing manufacturing to foreign nations and do not give a hoot about the worker.

And all of the above is a demonstrable fact ... try me.

 

I suppose to those who don't know the color spectrum.

 

You people are so funny. A better question would be: What happened to the Democrats? Obama happened and everything had to be politically correct or you were called out. MSM teamed up with him as a political arm of the party who protected him just like the German press protected Hitler.Obama turned them more radical so that they could "fundamentally change" the US because he never liked America either. Turned them on to Saul Alinsky, trying to take down a president, hating police, hating Christians, socialist ideas, US =bad, name calling, insanity, more abortion, more antisemitism, etc. You know----everything bad, with MSM backing him up every day. After a while, weak minds get brainwashed and they did...and here we are today---the party has run amok and is imploding. So the party of slavery and now socialism is falling apart. Out of all the deadbeats and has-beens wanting to be the Democrat president, there isn't a sane one in the bunch including the Odd Squad. Sometimes all you can say is WOW!