What are You looking for?

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  1. gabmux

    gabmux Well-Known Member Donor

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    It seems to me..that humans are never content...they always feel they are missing something...
    Regardless of how much they already have...they are always searching for something more.

    If you have time....I would appreciate your interpretation of this quote...
    “What you are looking for is what is looking.” Another version of it that I've seen is....
    "What you are looking for is already where you are looking from"
    St Francis of Assisi

    Also have seen similar quote here....
    “If you search everywhere, yet cannot find what you are seeking, it is because what you seek is already in your possession.”
    ― Lao Tzu
     
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    Humans are highly social animals and consequently need other people in order to maintain emotional health. For instance, you could have a $Trillion but if you had no one to share it with you would be a very miserable person. On the other hand, if you were penniless but you had someone to love and who loved you, then you would be a very happy person and emotionally stable.
     
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    Gelecski7238 Well-Known Member Donor

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    It's a result of separation anxiety and the subconscious craving to re-unite with the whole (The Source e.g. God). There is no cure.
     
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    gabmux Well-Known Member Donor

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    The separation anxiety seems possible reason....but why do you suppose that "there is no cure"?
     
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    What they seek is unconditional love and yes, it exists inside of themselves.

    After losing my soul mate I discovered that her unconditional love still resides within myself. I lost her physical presence but not her love which will be with me for the rest of my life.

    So for those without unconditional love I can understand why they seek it and the quotes above are accurate in that they are not going to find it outside of themselves.

    The biblical quotes about loving one's neighbors to the same extent that one loves oneself and that one must know love in order to know the deity address this issue.

    Within each of us there is the ability to love both ourselves and others and the more love we give the stronger our own love becomes.
     
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    gabmux Well-Known Member Donor

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    Although I tend to agree with you....have still seen quite often
    that man or woman has someone to love and be loved by and yet....
    sad to say...they look for someone else.
     
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    Near death experiencer Sharon Milliman was clearly shown that our Creator was in us.... in trees.... in all animals..... in even rocks and earth and sky....... but definitely within each of us.

    It is kind of an amazing thing really.





     
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    Truly well said The Wyrd of Gawd!!!!!!!!!!!

    Near death experiencers report receiving truly unconditional love during their brushes with death.... (the positive ones anyway)...... Selfishness is a very dangerous thought and behaviour pattern.


    https://www.near-death.com/religion/christianity/howard-storm.html#a03


     
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    There is no cure while you're alive or discarnate between incarnations, except that the understanding of the cause makes it less mysterious, less troubling. Final cure is available for "last timers" because they will be leaving this reality after their next and last incarnation. Whether they re-unite with God or go on to some other reality (from which none return) is unknown. There is no available communication link with them after they leave this reality.
     
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    I think it's more than a significant other. We ALL need a family and a village.

    Unfortunately the Western World has abandoned both. First the village, and then the family.
     
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    A lot of that has to do with where the individual is on the sex ladder. The majority of people (men and women) need to have multiple sex partners before they are willing and capable of actually making a life-long commitment. Consequently, people who have not had a sufficient number of sex partners will eventually seek out some during marriage. https://www.healthline.com/health/healthy-sex/average-number-of-sexual-partners

    https://www.mindbodygreen.com/articles/the-ideal-number-of-sexual-partners-for-men-women
     
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    Men and women want different things.

    Men tend to want a steady supply of sex, preferably with an attractive woman who will give him some kids.

    Women want the best man they can sell themselves for and are always on the lookout for a better man.
     
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    Generally, people are very poorly educated on certain crucial points; psychology, linguistics and perceptions. There are basics of existence that, properly understood in context, would obviate many frustrations and problems.
    Specifically, as regards the above conversations, our attention as an animal is on what is uncomfortable in the present. This tends to eclipse what is in the background. Simply understanding this serves to give us the resource to step back and relativize what we seek in the present.
     
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    I might phrase it as being, "It is not what's outside from you that matters, but what's from within you that matters."
     
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    Yes! Thank you! I tend to agree with that idea.
    IMO that is exactly what all of the various teachings are pointing to.
    That is why organized religions fail.
     
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    Me thinks you are correct...family/village doesn't seem as important.
    People are willing to give up family/village....but not their political/tribal preference.
    Many families and friends are torn by political differences.
    Even religions take political sides.
     
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    The word "re-unite" seems to imply that we have been separated from what is called "God"....
    is it ever possible to be separate from God? Would you say that you are separate from God right now....at this moment?
     
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    Yes. Beings reproduce by donating a small piece of themselves. The parent being has original awareness and the generated offspring become aware of their separate individuality.

    Eons ago the Unlimited Spirit separated us from itself and gave us awareness of our individual existence.
     
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    Metaphor confused with reality can lead to trouble.
     
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    Certainly an interesting story....can I ask where it came from? Is it your own idea?
     
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    Not my idea. Among various books about reincarnation and past life regression, at least one of them cited hypnosis sessions in which people were asked to recall their earliest available memory. Goes something like this: I am at the edge of the universe that is spread out before me. It is so immense and wondrous, whereas I am so tiny. I feel terribly lonely despite the surrounding multitudes of others like me. I am being told to go out and experience and explore all that is available, and eventually when it is time to come back, come back knowing something of value.

    One of those books also offered the jargon about the Unlimited Spirit separating us from itself etc. The reminder that beings reproduce by giving up a small piece of themselves came from a more recent source, whatever that was.
     
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    Thanks much! ...Have come to believe that the "awareness" you referred to above is, exactly what all of the spiritual teachings are pointing to....
    Jesus said....."the kingdom of heaven is within you." St. Francis said..."What you are looking for is already where you are looking from."
    Lao Tzu said....“If you search everywhere, yet cannot find what you are seeking, it is because what you seek is already in your possession.”

    My only disagreement is with your "Spirit separating us from itself" idea....
    IMO that separation is learned behavior. We are not born that way...we develop that sense of aloneness/separateness through conditioning.
    Again Jesus pointed to this same idea....."Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven."
    He was making it clear that unless you are willing to drop the false identity...this idea you have that you are
    a separate something other than the primary awareness....you'll be miserable.
     
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    That is essentially what near death experiencers have been teaching us for decades.... centuries and millennia really..... I do think that this is correct.


    http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/index.html

     
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    The issue, then, is realizing that we are dealing with two kinds of separation. The original separation was not a learned process because we didn't have any existence from which to learn anything.
     
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    One other significant aspect of that scenario is: Although I know I am incomplete as a separate part of Creation, it is also incomplete without me. I am a part of it, and it is a part of me.

    Here is a relevant portrayal of the big picture that is deep, dynamic, and inspiring. Enjoy.

    Ref: Far Journeys by Robert Monroe, pages 120-123. The copyright is general, all rights reserved.

    I am in a bright white tunnel and moving rapidly... a transparent and radiating tube. I am bathed in the radiation which courses through all of me, and … envelop(s) my consciousness and I laugh with great joy…The…flow is two directional…the flow moving past me in the direction from which I came is smooth, even, and undiluted. The flow that I am is moving in the opposite direction …it is organized in a more complex form…it contains a multitude of small waves impressed upon the basic. I am both the basic and the small waveforms, moving back to the source. The movement is steady and unhurried, impelled by a desire I know but cannot express. I vibrate with joyous ecstasy just by the knowing.

    The tube seems to become larger as another joins it from one side, and another waveform melds into me and we become one. I recognize the other, as it does me, and there is the great excitement of reunion…How could I have forgotten this! We move along together, happily exploring the adventures, experience, and knowledge of the other. The tube widens again, and another I joins us, and the process repeats itself…our pattern grows stronger as they move in phase. There are variegations in each, which when combined with another, create a new and important modification of the total that we are.

    …another I enters the waveform flow…the first I perceive as returning from a completely nonhuman sojourn. Yet the intermesh was near-perfect and we become so much more. Now we know that, somewhere, a consciously controlled physical tail, much like a monkey’s, is useful in ways…(including)communication.

    …one I after another joins us. With each, we become more aware and remember more of the total…We are one.

    We divert from the underlying waveform and move away from it. We watch motionless in unified respect as the action of it continues away from us into an infinity. We also perceive easily the smooth originating wave coming from such infinity and dissolving into the pattern from which we came.

    From the InSpec (Intelligent Higher Species): Flowing through all of us is a coherent energy that is our creation, that displays immensely the reality of the whole as far greater than the sum of its parts. Our ability and knowledge seem without limit, yet we know at this point such is valid only within the energy systems of our experience. We can create time as we wish or as the need arises, reshaping and modifying within the percept itself. We can create, enhance, alter, modulate, or eradicate any percept within the energy fields of our experience. We can transform any such energy fields one into another or others except for that which we are. We cannot create or comprehend our prime energy until we are complete.

    We can create physical patterns such as your sun and solar system, yet we do not. It has been done. We can adjust the environs of your planet Earth, yet we do not. It is not our design. We can and do monitor, supplement, and enhance the flow of the human learning experience, as well as other(s)…of similar content throughout space-time…so as to prepare properly… for the entry and meld into the totality that we are becoming.

    You are still incomplete. There are parts of you yet to be transformed…. Each of us is incomplete. That is why we remain at this point, to reach back and gather additional and remaining parts of us until we are complete….[then] we move into the creative return flow again…[and] leave this reality.

    (…to what destination?)... We believe it to be the source of the radiation, the creative emission and return. Communication is closed with those who have continued. The desire to continue occurs upon completion…difficult to transmit in a form we can understand. There have been attempts by those completed who are to continue, without success.

    (For those who would die, there is life.
    For those who would dream, there is reality.
    For those who would hope, there is knowledge.
    For those who would grow, there is eternity.)


    A visit to the source of the radiation, The Fundamental (pages 177-180):

    (Then Someone…) Is a creator who was created. You are a creator who was created. Each of you does carry a small rote, as you call it, of Someone, who created you. Through that rote of Someone, your creator, you carry a percept of the creator who created Someone…

    …(I went over the idea of loosh/love. It must be quite a place…Maybe we could go just to the edge of Somewhere…)

    That is not too much to ask, Mister Monroe. Close tightly…

    CLICK!

    (Even closed tightly, the radiation was so strong that it was nearly unbearable… and I began to heave with great racking sobs and I couldn’t understand why…then the radiation eased, and I opened a little. There was a form between me and the radiation, shielding me, and I could perceive a corona effect all around the form…)

    This is as close as you can tolerate. We are diverting most of the effective energy patterns, which are in themselves only the random residue, the leakage as you might call it from the fundamental. Focus through us rather than the outer rim. It will help.

    (With great difficulty, I narrowed and held on the center of the form… and I began to cool down…slowly my rational and observing self began to emerge again, dominating the overwhelming emotional surge that had enveloped me… it was as if I perceived through a darkly tinted window and I had to work continually to keep the emotion below the threshold level, the wondrous and brilliant joy, awe, reverence, melded into one yet with flashes of each sparking momentarily… all coursing through me as I responded to the radiation, unable to prevent it and barely keeping it under control. This would most emphatically be the ultimate heaven, the final home…)

    Observe more carefully. You are capable of doing so.

    (I looked through the smoked-glass shield that was my INSPEC friend …and I was grateful, for I knew… the full force of the radiation would have shattered me… there in the long view, was a radiant living form of incredible size, my first percept that of a tall standing humanoid, arms outstretched in front, palms upward… but just as quickly, it was not… instead, a shining globe, edges indistinct, behind it another…behind it another…a continuous cascade moving away into infinity…from each came numberless beams or rays, some huge in their diameter, others no wider than a pinpoint, all uniform in size throughout their length and beyond my percept as to their destination, some of them moving past me so close that I felt I could reach out and touch one…)

    Would you like to do so? We will help you if needed.

    (…I stretched out a part of me, cautiously, and touched the smallest ray nearest me…in an instant, the shock spread throughout all that I thought I was, and I knew…that I would forget if I tried to remember, because what I was could not yet handle the reality of it…yet I never again would be the same even without remembering, except…the indescribable joy of knowing only that it did take place and the echoes would reverberate within me throughout eternity…gently, I felt myself being detached from the ray, and I collapsed behind the shielding form of my INSPEC friend…)

    You responded very well for the initial exposure. Your human loosh/love energy is transmuted into the center of what you perceive. From there it is redirected into what you call the rays, to the points where it is needed most…When you have progressed, we can guide you to one of the destinations so you can observe the results.

    (…my human curiosity wouldn’t let the basic question go unanswered…)

    It was created. It was always there. We have no percept of a beginning.

    Corollaries are keenly expressed and wholesomely extended in a more conventional manner in the following:

    “I think that the most viable aspect of humans is that both as a species and as individuals, no matter when, where, or how long we live, we are unfinished creatures.

    Moreover that is not our curse but our glory. I think Keats was correct in saying that earth is a ‘vale for soul-making.’ Because we are transitional creatures, there will always be more for us to grow into and become – more to learn, more to know, more to be, more to share.

    Everyone’s life aim, then, should be not simply to maintain the status quo, but to expand both inner and outer boundaries.

    The question each of us must ask, and that only we can answer, is: What is the best way for me to grow? What directions should I take that will enable me to express what I am in the fullest way, given my native talents and my life circumstances.” (Ref. page 84 in the chapter on Exceptional Human Experiences and the Experiential Paradigm by Rhea A, White, one of a dozen authors whose works are collected in a book by Charles T. Tart, Body Mind Spirit, Exploring the Parapsychology of Spirituality.)
     
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