What are your views on abortion?

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Daggdag, Oct 19, 2020.

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Which best describes your view on abortion

  1. A woman has the right to choose to get an abortion with no limitations.

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    54.9%
  2. Abortion should be illegal after the first trimester

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    15.7%
  3. Abortion should be illegal except to preserve the health and life of the mother.

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    25.5%
  4. Abortion should be illegal in all circumstances.

    2 vote(s)
    3.9%
  1. Daggdag

    Daggdag Well-Known Member

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    I personally do not support or oppose at wheel of Fortune though I believe it should be limited to the first trimester.

    But I also believe that if the mother's life and/or health is endangered by the pregnancy and an abortion is the only way to protect her then abortion should be required and a doctor who refuses to save a patient by performing an abortion should be charged with murder.
    We don't want to become Ireland, where doctors are allowed to simply refuse to save their patient's life.


    In fact I believe that the term abortion should be limited to the termination of a viable pregnancy any pregnancy that is not viable where the fetus will not survive should not be considered abortion.
     
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  2. Lucifer

    Lucifer Well-Known Member

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    There are a whole host of medical reasons for having to remove prostate and testicles, but those are discussions to be had with my doctor and no one else!

    Abortion is a medical procedure like any other. All the strawman arguments by pro-lifers are based on fuzzy feelings, childlike beliefs of science and medicine, and all held together by the glue of religious dogma. In all the 40 some odd years that this debate has been raging, the pro-lifers have never really presented a viable alternative, because their alternative for giving help to these women has always been more religion or a token gesture. Even the woman who was Jane Roe participated for several years in a religious group, which of course they used her to exploit their fantasy crusade, but before she died she admitted the truth; she used them just as much as they used her. She needed the money and they offered her enough to get by. Just watch the documentary, Jane Roe.
     
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    61falcon Well-Known Member

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    Nothing good can come out of forcing a woman to have a child she does not want.
     
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    But what about forcing a man to be a father that he's not suited to be? There's a bunch of directions abortion can go. Now, to actually answer the very nuanced question instead of "OMG, Abortion is murder" or "it's a woman's body", let's actually think here. It's a morally grey subject because whether we like it or not, or admit it or not, there is no other means of birthing(besides artificial), than that of the womb. So it is a human life, whether at certain weeks of gestation or not.

    Let's just get that out of the way. That said, when one thinks about morality and mercy, the statistics are pretty clear in that if one holds off on birth, a later birth ends up being in a better financial situation. So that's one benefit to abortion. I just wish that guys were protected when they don't want the child, but the mother does want the child.

    I consider myself pro-choice, but also pro-life. If a family or a couple is financially well situated, and wants to take care of the child and have the child in their life, I'd strongly encourage it as I feel a strong family unit is awesome.'

    But I agree with 61Falcon, nothing good can come of forcing either person male or female to be a parent.
     
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    where do you libs get these garbage slogans and why do you choose to swallow them without even a tiny effort of critical thinking I will never understand.

    I am pro choice within reason... hundreds of millions throughout the history of the humanity were born in places and cultures were abortion was not acceptable or available, to women who didn't want them. guess what. it wasn't all bad, in fact in overwhelming majority of cases it was perfectly fine, your bogus slogan notwithstanding. duh
     
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    I don't believe that abortion should be used as a form of birth control ,but when a woman's health and well being are at stake it should be legal. Rape should also be a woman's choice!
     
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    Who forced her to conceive a child? Given you say she didn't want it.
     
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    I guess you never heard of infant mortality rates either.
     
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    Only 20% of rapes are reported - do you really want to FORCE a woman to go through the embarrassment and public ridicule of a rape
    trial (and we've seen how these often are tried on social media) in order to get rid of a rapist's fetus? Since we do not know who those
    other 80% might be, YOU WOULD BE FORCING a woman to undergo an invasive rape kit and public trial. Think about this happening to your daughter
    or wife.
     
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    Wait. You think that teenagers with raging hormones are thinking about "conceiving"? Huh? They're thinking about something that starts with an F and ends with a G.
     
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    Biological sciences and personal responsibility are not the strong suits for many. :)
     
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    You're going to use rape as your argument? Seriously? Let's focus on the vast majority, which aren't a result of rape. Good, so now you can answer the question.

    WHO FORCED HER TO CONCEIVE A CHILD SHE DIDN'T WANT?
     
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    Every.single.time - they're immediately backed into the "but what about rape! ... and incest!" corner.

    That's how bad their arguments are. Or rather, how non-existent they are. Shows they've never given any of it more than a nanosecond's thought.
     
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    There is a Dedicated (specific) forum for this topic.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?forums/abortion.39/

    I am sure that you will find many discussions that fit your interests.:salute:
     
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    And again - since only 20% of rapes are reported, you have no ****ing idea if the woman asking for a legal abortion was raped or not, thus you have to
    treat ALL abortion requests as possible rapes unless the woman specifically says otherwise. You have no idea if you are FORCING a woman to carry a rapist's fetus to term.
     
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    Okay, let's try this again. Of the women who weren't raped .... WHO FORCED THEM TO CONCEIVE A CHILD THEY DIDN'T WANT?
     
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    And again - given that only 20% of rapes are reported, you have no way knowing if a woman requesting an abortion has
    been raped or not unless they specifically say so. Given that, ALL abortions have to be treated as possible rape unless the woman specifically says otherwise.
     
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    "Only 20% of rapes are reported", sounds like a RAINN statistic and thus likely out of context in some form. I refuse to believe that women are getting raped and not bringing charges against the offenders, especially in the #Metoo Era.
     
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    I chose A.

    ...provided that I'm not involved in it in any way (and none of my taxes are used for it- lets keep it none of my business).

    I am morally opposed to abortion in all but the most extreme and rare circumstances. But I don't want laws to have anything to do with morality. It should be legal for people to be immoral.
     
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    I used to be against it but then I realized if women want to murder millions of potential Democrat voters, who am I to argue?
     
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    More abortion=less leftists. I stopped caring about it a long time ago.
     
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    I have a serious problem with a position like this. The real argument about abortion relates to whether or not you view a human embryo as a human being. Either you do or you don't. Either way, the length of the pregnancy changes nothing. If you view an embryo as a human being then abortion is homicide. If you view it as nothing but tissue then abortion is an optional medical procedure. I don't see any middle ground. A middle ground is an excuse.
     
  23. Daggdag

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    What pisses me off is feminist claiming that when they choose to get an abortion it's a medical issue and try to claim that medical insurance should pay for it.

    No it's not a health issue it's a choice. And it should be the person choosing to get an abortion to pay for it end of story.

    the only time health insurance should be required to cover the cost of an abortion is if an abortion is required to protect a woman's health on the opinion of a licensed medical doctor. I also believe that Federal funding should be restricted in the same manner that no federal funding should ever go to paying for at will abortions and only ones needed for legitimate health concerns should be covered by any tax funding
     
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    after the second trimester they develop pain receptors and can feel pain I consider an abortion to be torture at that point
     
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    agree as long as plan b is included as an option in all rape kits

    I would also add an exception for the health of the mother, if she will die without an abortion, I am ok with my tax dollars assisting the poor in this regard
     
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