What are your views on abortion?

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Daggdag, Oct 19, 2020.

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Which best describes your view on abortion

  1. A woman has the right to choose to get an abortion with no limitations.

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  2. Abortion should be illegal after the first trimester

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  3. Abortion should be illegal except to preserve the health and life of the mother.

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  4. Abortion should be illegal in all circumstances.

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  1. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    Well for all I knew, it could have been federal law. Again, what is the relevant law? Do you even know?
     
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    Yes, to prevent a suffering death.

    In all States in the US?
     
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    No, men are also told that it's just a bunch of cells. That's why a man would approve of his wife getting an abortion.
     
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    All of the women I know wouldn't kill their born kids. And all SANE women are the same.
     
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    So the boyfriend, the doctor, but NOT the woman!

    "Committing the crime of falling in love!" :roflol:
    How ridiculous!

    No, falling in love would not become a crime if abortion was banned. People would just be well advised to take some responsibility - something which is all too uncommon nowadays.

    If abortion was banned, it would be illegal to sell condoms? What THE HELL are you even talking about?

    If people lived in fear, then they are hopeless idiots.


    How the hell would an abortion ban lead to religious people entering Congress who otherwise wouldn't?

    What's with the mixture of upper case and lower case? You've done that a few times now. How silly.

    How the hell will our lives have been "banned?"
     
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    Okay, so no counter argument for: "she doesn't have the required mens rea."
     
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    Well even you would have to say that her right to LIFE would still apply wouldn't you? You would say not liberty and the pursuit of happiness because a woman wanting an abortion should have the liberty to have an abortion and not allowing her to do so would make her happiness turn into unhappiness. Just like a bank robber who wants to rob a bank takes the liberty to rob the bank, and the money he gets gives him happiness. We can't all do what we WANT in this world. That's all part of liberty.

    You said that rights "are not something that 'just exist...'" So then where do they come from?

    In your opinion.

    Okay, but why does the law not allow that?

    You said that "an embryo and a fetus are completely dependent on the life, health and diet of the woman carrying it." I agreed. Then you said I was wrong. Why?

    If you can answer for people, then why I can't answer for you about what your favourite things are?
     
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    I do not call myself Pro Choice; I think it is a bad label and a side of the debate that is far too timid and respectful with its opponent. I call myself pro-abortion although I would prefer to call my stance Pro Life, but that has sadly been hijacked by people who hate life.
     
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    Have you not read any of my posts? Yes, I am.

    I do not have any contradictions when it comes to abortion.
     
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    No one needs to murder their child.
     
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    No one is "being told" that out of whim, an embryo actually is a clump of cells.

    There can be many reasons a married couple would agree on having an abortion and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
     
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    The right to life is the most fundamental of rights from which all other rights are just consequences. Life is a process of self-sustaining actions which means that the right to life means one has the right to engage in self-sustaining action to live a life of fulfilliment and enjoyment.

    A ban on abortion prevents her from taking conttol over her own life.

    The right to life naturally implies right to liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It is not as simple as you having tje right not to be murdered.



    This is just an awful 7th-grader-argument that I am not even sure deserves to be addressed.

    Allow me to quote Ayn Rand again;
    The source of man’s rights is not divine law or congressional law, but the law of identity. A is A—and Man is Man. Rights are conditions of existence required by man’s nature for his proper survival. If man is to live on earth, it is right for him to use his mind, it is right to act on his own free judgment, it is right to work for his values and to keep the product of his work. If life on earth is his purpose, he has a right to live as a rational being: nature forbids him the irrational. Any group, any gang, any nation that attempts to negate man’s rights, is wrong, which means: is evil, which means: is anti-life.
     
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    Who are you to tell a woman what she does or doesn't need?
     
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    How telling that you didn't include 'fetus!'
     
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    Very funny.

    They are too not fully developed.
     
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    No, why should anyone do what you want ???
     
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    HILARIOUS!

    OK, so if someone needs a new heart they can force you to give them yours.....because "bodily autonomy" is a myth....
    :roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol:


    No wonder Roe v. Wade is so safe....there is no opposition...


    Yes, where you have been shown to br wrong as usual :)




    Well, I have never indicated that in any way so it's just more of your spooky Sci-Fi imagination running rampant and displaying false information..
     
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    WHY would you do that...do you enjoy those photos?
    Do you like hemmoroid operations?

    No, bet ya just like those Ob/Gyn operations...
     
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    Yes, and that's ALL that counts...
     
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    They are now, as safe as any other medical procedure....should people stop having medical procedures because sometimes they don't always turn out well?

    No heart surgery? No knee surgery? They might not be safe!!!



    The decision to have a medical procedure STILL belongs to the person having the surgery and NO ONE ELSE.
     
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    They are at the end of the term prior to labour! Yet according to you, it's not a person!
     
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    You wouldn't be saying that the LAW is all that counts if the LAW made abortion illegal! :roflol:
     
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    Somehow I doubt that you would be too bothered if @FoxHastings blocked you! :roflol:
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    So again , you think all women are stupid....I got that awhile back.....but keep repeating it, it makes you look so good (sarcasm)


    LOL, so you're all for equality , "men are stupid, too:...and believe anything they're told and then all act in a specific way"


    Why would a woman need a man's approval to get an abortion?

    HINT: They DON'T


    And as another poster pointed out, it IS a clump of cells...
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    Why do you make blanket statements about women as if they are drones, or cattle, or "things" that all think alike??? Don't you know any women?



    Why do you REPEAT a blanket statement about women as if they are drones, or cattle, or "things" that all think alike??? Don't you know any women?

    You : """...all SANE women are the SAME"""
     

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