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What Democrats can learn from Doug Jones

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  1. doombug

    doombug Well-Known Member

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    What Democrats can learn from Doug Jones

    Left wingers want to believe the Jones win means everything is turning in their favor. Not so. If one looks at the campaign Jones ran one can see what works. Basically, what works is this:



    Running on getting things done by working with the other side. The politics of division is not working. Extreme ideologies are not working. People do not want "sides", they want a government that works for the people, as it was intended.

    So democrats, learn from this campaign. Even in a red state it is possible to win if you run on a moderate platform. Extremism is a losing campaign.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Is the OP implying that the alt right isn't capable of learning that they need to choose moderate candidates in the GOP primaries.
     
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    Jones is not a moderate, he just pretended to be one for the election.
     
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    Tough to learn much of a lesson when the left's opposing candidate was destroyed by the media, and convicted without a trial.
     
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    But he PRETENDED.....that is the key. He has 11 months to prove himself or he will be out.
     
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    Meh, republican should learn to run a better candidate. Moore had that Ted Cruz vibe about him. That is the other extreme. People do not want that.
     
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    Not at all. The only reason I made this post is that democrats are not capable of learning this. Republicans do learn. There were republicans coming out against Moore. When have dems come out against thier own?
     
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    2020*
     
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    Weiner, Franken and Spitzer to name just 3 off the top of my head.

    Nominating Moore was a massive mistake for the GOP but as long as they allow the extremist alt right to control their primaries they will end up with dross like Moore and your BLOTUS. There are at least 4 other senate seats that the GOP lost by selecting alt right candidates instead of moderates.
     
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    If Jones is smart he will be doing whatever he can to help the good people of Alabama have healthcare and jobs between now and 2020. That way he can hold onto that seat just asking the voters what they prefer, him or someone else like Moore or Sessions?
     
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    Claiming you will work with the other side is not even remotely close to enough to get a democrat elected in a deep red state, particularly when the democrat did not promise to compromise on practically any of his democratic positions.
     
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    The "candidate" had run for elected office multiple times. That "candidate" apparently was accepted by voters in Alabama regardless of what outsiders saw as controversial positions on various issues.

    After all those elections, and a very long resume in public service, the left, and their media partners, launched a trial by accusation in the closing weeks of a loosing effort by their side. That "candidate" was convicted yesterday without a trial.

    I don't know Moore, I don't agree with many of his positions, but I don't live in Alabama. The precedent set yesterday should not be applauded by any objective citizen.
     
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    He was not convicted. media cannot indict or convict anyone and they cannot fine or incarcerate anyone. Only courts of law can convict. That is why voters do not need to conclude a case has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt and media does not have to apply a criminal courts rules of evidence to every story they write.
    Voters of Alabama deserved to know about these multiple charges of sexual assault and they had every right to consider them.
     
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    What ever happened to the “he Won, get over it” Crowd?
     
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    The precedent of pushing flawed candidates like Moore and your BLOTUS is what needs to be disavowed.
     
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    Aren't they also the "voter fraud" crowd?
     
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    Obviously my reference is metaphoric.

    I agree the left's media partners don't need to prove anything, they have proven that beyond a reasonable doubt.

    That is what they count on. However, the power to manipulate and persuade is significant. Totalitarian regimes throughout history have always had a propaganda arm to help carry out their objectives.
     
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    Yep, obviously dens cheated
     
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    No. The Culture War the left is running to gain power is what needs to be disavowed.
     
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    He promised to work with Republicans. He has 11 months to prove it.
     
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    he will be there until 2020
     
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    I would say the examples you gave are not much of a sacrifice. Franken will be replaced with another democrat so where is the sacrifice.
     
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    Ok. To what degree would you agree the media played in Jones win?
     
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    There was nothing to learn about that election besides, don't run a guy who gets accused of a lifetime of sexual assault. You could put a muppet against him, and it would win. Doug Jones didn't win. Roy Moore LOST....and for good reason.
     
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    Not much. The smear campaign is old hat. Not many buy it.
     
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