What do you think about "World Government"

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  1. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    The idea of "terraforming" Mars has hit a major snag recently in that we now believe that Mars lost what may have been an Earthlike atmosphere when its interior cooled off much earlier in its history than ours has. This caused its magnetic field to cease and that allowed the solar wind to strip its atmosphere and, even, possibly, its ocean(s). The idea that we could restore an atmosphere using engineered plants wouldn't work, the Sun would simply strip it away too.

    Then again, this may not be the whole story. One thing that remains unexplained (to me so far, that is) is why doesn't radioactivity keep Mars interior hot, as it does ours. If it formed the same way as Earth it should have a comparable amount of radioactive rocks, (adjusted for its smaller size of course), so why did its interior cool about 4 billion years ago, while it is estimated ours may continue to a hundred billion years more?

    Does anyone here know this?

    And there may be a way to retain an atmosphere without a magnetic field. We're pretty sure the Earth has lost its when the field reverses, as it does about every 700,000 years, yet no great extinctions accompany these phenomena, at least with the same regularity.



    In any case any mass migration to Mars will remain a somewhat impossible dream until we find some way to cheaply escape the Gravity well we all live at the bottom of. Using present tech it costs about a thing's weight in gold to launch it into orbit. The Space Elevator may solve that but at present we have still a long way to go before we even know if the materials it would require are actually possible, though early indications are positive.

    A world government would probably be a necessity for any such thing, and I do notice that Space exploration could be forming a nascent type of such. American astronauts are now being launched exclusively on Russian rockets and will be for about a year more. There are also satellites owned by England, France and even some of the less developed world. Very promising, and too little IMO, Space will be the key to Earth's future, everyone knows that.
     
  2. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Not if you go by what I know of its charter.

    The UN is a forum where nations can DISCUSS DISPUTES before they go to war. That is ALL it was formed to be and all it is now. It has NO power to actually intervene anywhere in and of itself. It has negotiated treaties which allow such intervention under very limited and controlled conditions but Nations in it are as free to ignore such treaties as they have always been. (and to suffer any consequences specified in those treaties, again, in accordance with long established International Law.)

    As I understand it, one of the main weaknesses of the old League of Nations is that it actually asked nations to sacrifice some of their sovereignity. The UN is very strict in specifying by its Charter that it cannot and will not interfere in a nation's internal affairs, unless those affairs threaten other nations and/or break treaties which the nations concerned are signatory to and which specify consequences

    The IMF, AFAIK, is a bank which loans money to nations. It's meant to take the place of the old Rothschilds and Morgans. It can have a great influence on any nation's foreign policy, no doubt, but it is essentially nothing more than a bank. It has no governmental functions in and of itself though it may exercise such in loan agreements..
     
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    Too many differences in the world. World government would not survive one month. The World would be at a major war. I don't see it ever happening.
     
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    He who controls the money, controls the power.
     
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    I used to be in favor of a world government, and then I spent a career working for the government. Since then I have become philosophically opposed to the whole concept of government, though I realize humanity hasn’t yet evolved to the point of not needing it.

    My main issue with a world government is your voice becomes deluded even more. It would mean more and more people being represented by relatively fewer and fewer. You think your vote doesn’t matter in a nation of 300 million? What about in a world of 7 billion?

    I also fear the world would undergo the same homogenization that the US is undergoing. Every time I make it back home to the States I become depressed because everything is looking more and more the same. The same restaurants and outlet stores on every freaking corner. I see it happening throughout other parts of the world and I want it to stop. A world government would just exacerbate that problem.

    If government is a necessary evil then I want it to be as small as possible. And I don’t just mean bureaucratically the way conservatives use the term “small government”. I mean geographically as well. I would prefer a world of hundreds of thousands of city states to a world with one world government. At least in a world of city states it would be easier to choose which government you would subject yourself to. And within that city state your voice would proportionately carry more weight. It still wouldn’t be ideal, but it would be better than someone on the other side of the world calling the shots for me.
     
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    I believe we would be better off with a federal UN based on the US Constitution and Bill of Rights.
     
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    There's no need to go to Mars. We just need to cull the herd right here.
     
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    Only the right is that cognitively dissonant. It is about being able to establish human colonies anywhere in our galaxy, regardless of climate change.
     
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    Only the strongest make the rules. There is no such thing as a 'World Government' and there never will be no matter what you call it.
     
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    Why do you believe that, in our modern and global, Information Age?
     
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    We obviously have more to lose than to gain by a one world government. Our trade agreements should be reason enough to stay away from world government.
     
  12. danielpalos

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    I am not sure what you mean. Why would we be any worse off with a federal Constitution that includes the equivalent to Article 1, Section 10:

     
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    What would be the sense of a world government if the world constitution contained a clause like that? Maybe I'm not understanding the question.
     
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    I thought that was the point of (world) Government.
     
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    Yes..........
    there is evidence from parapsychology that humanity does indeed
    soon get to the place where we can travel to other planets......

    http://www.dwij.org/forum/future_link/future7.htm

    ......
     
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    Lowering ocean level thirty centimeters / one foot.....
    is a much more practical goal that people might just be able to
    be motivated toward.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/opinion-polls/483090-what-do-you-think-my-alternative-wall-theory.html
    What do you think of my Alternative Wall Theory?
     
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    How this WG can help us with egoistic, corrupted human nature? Probably we`l get a global tyranny and local potential corruption. I dont think people are ready for some new type of international society. Not now
     
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    Nope, no one except those who would benefit from it. The expanding world corporate system that is developing will make that decision so as to keep their profits growing a while longer. But before that, yet possibly leading to it, will be a world-wide economic crash that will be the worst we have ever known. And it is coming sooner than most think. All access to money will be shut down for a few months while everything is reorganized. You will be allowed to obtain a few hundred dollars from your bank account each month for your basic needs.

    The dollar will no longer be the world's reserve currency. The IMF will instead provide SDRs to that end. The dollar will become a local currency like the Mexican peso.

    This is some of what the international capitalists plan for us.
     
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    All political and economical problems we face today are caused by government intervention, I sincerely doubt MORE government is the answer. I think it is time for us to start abolish governments, not create a bigger one.
     
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    Macron basically plays the EU anthem saying there is no French culture getting phone calls from Obama calling France a state now.
     
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    Kinda makes me angry thinking about Jimi Hendrix playing the Star Spangled Banner or God Save the Queen and flying flags of freedom to become Brussels taking backing free Europe.
     
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    When your country has a leader who works for an un elected one to make your country a state and make your President of France France's Governor to the President of the EU.
     
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    The public in the EU don't vote for the President of the EU.
     
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    There is no democratic value in a world government.
     
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    If there is a massive global economic and environmental threat it will not be a matter of soft things like democracy but survival countries at the top and its allies, and everyone else as in disadvantaged second and third world nations OR it must unite under one government in order for the species to survive an enhanced UN perhaps like Earth in the Expanse books and tv show.
     

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