What does Critical Race Theory teach?

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  1. Adfundum

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    Banning Twain is indeed disgraceful. He absolutely was not a racist. The problem in teaching Huck Finn is his use of the N word. The most honest and moral character in the novel is the slave who surrenders his freedom to protect Huck from his abusive father. The use of the N word merely reflects the immoral and hypocritical society of the time. But we always had a discussion about that before we started on the unit. Twain portrayed a time, place, and culture to hold it up like a mirror to the people. Satire is the best way for that to work, and Twain was good at it. But his work did offend a lot of Whites.
     
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    Keep in mind that the N word was considered neither immoral nor hypocritical among White people at the time. It was just a word. I have no idea what Black people thought of it.
     
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    If you're referring to the text from the link, it's describing college level sociology courses. The original purpose was to examine factors linked to higher incarceration rates etc. among Blacks. Ignoring those factors means that we're assuming that Blacks are more criminal because they get convicted more often. That follows the assumption the trials were fair and unbiased. It ignores information showing that Blacks get convicted more often that Whites for the same crimes. There are other factors as well, and CRT was simply thinking critically about why those rates were different.

    And it is a shame that we want to ban books like Huck Finn.
     
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    It didn't start out that way, but it was well on its way to being a dirty word when Twain was writing. He had to defend the use to some of his friends. If I remember right, his wife didn't want him to use the term.
     
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    C'mon man.
     
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    What you are referring to is the appropriation of the label for other uses. I'm referring to the original use, and that use was at the post secondary level. To be honest, the president of the teachers' union made an asinine statement and the union does not determine the SCOS in schools. When all this started, schools were clueless about what everyone was calling CRT. As far as the book itself, until I have read it, I can't say much about it. I will not rely on the interpretations of opinionated articles. I did see a video that was supposed to be the story, but I have to question if that was all of the story considering copyright laws and all. But what I saw in the video presented the story quite differently from what these opinion articles are claiming.
     
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    It really wasn't as much of a slur in the immediate post civil war era.
     
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    I think it’s worse then that. For decades the right has supported voter suppression of minorities. There is a reason why the kkk and other white supremest elements frequent Trump rallies. Their goals are align. “There are good people on both sides.” Sorry Trump, there are good people on one side.
    Everything from voter suppression to the history of why we don’t have universal healthcare is grounded in racism. The richest country in the free world, and no universal healthcare. Not a proud moment.
     
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    The reference was to a book assigned in an elementary school.
     
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    Documented usage does not permit a conclusion.
    “The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there.”

    ― L.P. Hartley, The Go-Between
     
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    Documented usage in the context in which it was used does. You're being coy for reasons beyond understanding.
     
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    Not at all coy. Merely modest in making assumptions about people neither of us ever met.
     
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    You dont have a clue. And the video is from the Authors own website.
    Not My Idea - Anastasia Higginbotham
    And everyone here except you is referring to the current use of "Critical Race Theory"
     
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    That would seem to close the case.
     
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    A definition is (by definition) what a person means by a word.

    You're digging yourself into a deep hole. Let me see if I can throw a rope so you can pull yourself out. Here is a definition of "whiteness". Not from her book (because I have no access to it) but from a different source. And it's quite likely this is what she meant by "whiteness" given the context of what has been quoted from the book.

    The concept of Whiteness was imported from Spain and Portugal during the slavery era, where Whiteness was defined as a way to contrast one’s identity as different from slaves. This was devised to create a deliberate hierarchy, to define who was privileged and who was property or a second-class citizen (Wood, 2015). The concept of race continues to define people in this way, socially though not legally anymore, albeit with stubbornly disparate outcomes (Salter, Adams, & Perez, 2018.
    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/culturally-speaking/202006/what-is-whiteness


    Well that sounds pretty evil to me. You are saying it's not?
     
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    A Special Counsel needs to be appointed to get to the bottom of the Garland/Patriot Act scandal where he attempts to direct the vast anti-terrorism powers of the United States against parents who object to the racist curriculum his son in law is billing schools $MILLIONS to push on their captive children against their will. Garland needs to be put on leave until we have a fuller understanding of this conspiracy and find out who exactly was involved in fashioning the pretextual letter from the School Board association to Dirtbag Garland requesting that parents be intimidated and harassed by the powers we granted to DOJ so that they could protect us against AQ and ISIS.

    We also need a Special Counsel appointed it investigate Hunter, his international bribery campaign, his "art sales" what his father's involvement is, and whether the DOJ/FBI has been covering his crimes up.

    Weird how the DOJ/FBI takes no action against Antifa/BLM burning and looting, but then spring into action against parents speaking up at school board meetings.

    Maybe we can next declare the Unvaxxed as "domestic terrorists" and unleash Dirtbag Garland and the Dirtbag FBI against them?
     
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    No! The quote CLEARLY talks about asking racist questions. Taking it out of context so it appears as if it were just "asking questions" is dishonest. And I have no idea why anybody would be so scared about children being taught that racism is a bad thing that they would resort to such dirty tactics.

    Actually, I do have an idea why. But this forum would not allow me to state it.
     
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    Why are they more "introverts". Can please specify what gene is present in black people, and not in white people, that makes them "introverts"? Also a reference to where you got this idea would be in order.

    "I don't know" is not a valid answer. If you are going to make claims that are rejected by every single scientific study in existence, you need to show your sources. Because I know MANY sources that are not scientific. But they are all White Supremacist sources.

    There is only one sociological aspect (including psychological, financial, ... all non-physical aspects... other than skin color) in which black people in this country differ from white people. And that's the fact that white people have a privilege that is preserved through institutional racism. Which is precisely what CRT claims. So if you claim there is any OTHER difference, you should explain to us where the hell you got this idea. Because I'm pretty sure it wasn't in the afore mentioned white supremacist propaganda websites, right?
     
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    So what racist questions would a 5-7 year old ask? I don't know about you but most 5-7 year old's don't think in terms of race.

    And no, the quote does not "CLEARLY" talk about such. It doesn't make the distinction between asking "racist questions" vs "asking questions". The quote is talking to children. Not adults. Look at it from that point of view. If you ever had children, or dealt with children, you would know that you have to be specific.
     
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    When did he ever attribute it to genes? Culture plays a part in how people speak, what they read, how much they read, and many other things. That you automatically jump to "oh he must be talking about gene's and trying to assert that they're lesser because of that" is rather telling. And shows why the below is pure bunk. When one automatically assumes that another is basing everything on race alone then anything that they produce will be suspect at best.

    Are you going to try and pretend that black people and white people in the US have the same culture? That would be rather foolish of you ya know.
     
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    If everyone else wants to call it something it's not, that tells me that there's some misinformation being floated.
    And does she have the entire book on that video? I watched the video, and wondered why she would post her book on there for free while she was selling it on other sites. I wondered if she read the entire thing on there.
     
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    No it isn't. It's what a competent lexicographer determines competent users of the language mean by a word.
    I'd say it's nothing but absurd, dishonest filth with no basis in fact that Salter, Adams and Perez made up out of whole cloth.
     
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    I don't know.
    No, because such a gene almost certainly does not exist. It's just some more absurd and disingenuous garbage you made up, like pretty much everything else you have posted.
    I got it from actual empirical research, such as:

    https://www.researchgate.net/public...Evaluation_of_Moderators_and_Publication_Bias
    Of course it is. You merely don't consider it a valid answer because it is honest.
    That claim is false and absurd, like most of what you post.
    I have shown sources. You always simply dismiss them, claiming -- falsely, absurdly, and disingenuously, as it happens -- that the reports of perpetrator race made by victims of and eyewitnesses to violent crime constitute institutional racism, to go along with the institutional racism of arrest and conviction statistics, and all other conceivable statistics that might show the truth about racial differences in violent crime rates.
    And you rely on them utterly. I know.
    No, you simply made that up. The many unscientific sources that you know are the ones you quote and rely on, which say that any fact that reflects badly on any race but whites is automatically due to institutional racism, and any claim that reflects badly on whites is automatically the truth.
    That is nothing but a statement of religious faith.
    Which makes it objectively wrong.
    From empirical research.
    I've heard of such websites, but I can't recall ever visiting one.
     
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    CRT does not teach that racism is a bad thing. It teaches that white people are bad things, and anti-white racism is a good thing.
     

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