What does Critical Race Theory teach?

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  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    It might. However, there is no evidence. As those who have made that claim (but failed to substantiate it) have demonstrated.

    And it would not explain WHY blacks would commit more crime, other than as a result of institutional racism.
     
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  2. Jack Hays

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    You're the one who introduced the rhetorical question as a desperate diversion from a failed OP. Sorry, but you should learn from your mistakes.
     
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    Correlation with poverty would be my best guess. That and anti-social culture being pushed on them. And also labelling and expectation based on stereotype.
     
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    Nonsense. Police reports, arrest and conviction data confirms blacks are more likely to commit murder and robbery, and victim reports and surveys confirm the disparity. The fact that some murders and robberies go unreported, the fact that some have no known race of the guilty party, that some include an arrest and conviction and some do not, does not negate that evidence. Especially since many of the incidences of murder and robbery with unknown or not arrested and convicted occur in high crime areas of major cities with a high proportion of black population. Arrest for murder in 2020 of 56% black is evidence that blacks commit more murder and being 13% of the population they are more likely to commit murder. True, some murders the assailant is unknown, and/or not arrested or prosecuted. But most of those are in high crime inner city areas with a high proportion of blacks, so 56% is likely an understatement the actual percentage of murders in the US committed by blacks. In Chicago if you are a black murder victim, you have a 22% chance the police will solve and identify your murderer. 78% chance they will not. The overwhelming majority of black murder victims died at the hands of other blacks.
     
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    Yes, black Americans have been the target of systemic institutional racism since Reconstruction. Nevertheless, low crime rates characterized the Black American community until well after the Great Depression.
    The damage has been cumulative.
     
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    Recall reading a study on the racial disparity in HS graduation rates. Controlling for household income eliminated less than half the disparity. Controlling for the presence of biological parents of the student being in the household, eliminated almost all of the disparity in that blacks with their biological parents graduated at near the same rate as whites with their biological parents. Although white students without both their parents were not as affected by their absence as black students in regards to graduation rates.
     
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    So that's a bit of a cycle. Fathers of black boys killed or put in jail, leading to more of the same. The war on drugs likely has a lot to do with that too.
     
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    It is a cycle, however...the individual can break the cycle. It's happened MANY times before. It's all personal choice.
     
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    There is an element of personal choice, yes. But it isn't just a matter of telling people to choose better.
     
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    Yes. It is.

    Anything else is an excuse of poor judgement
     
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    ??? There is an abundance of evidence.
     
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    The sex disparity in crime statistics is as great as the racial disparity. The racial disparity has as much to do with institutional racism as the sex disparity has to do with institutional sexism. Little to nothing.
     
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    I agree, but only because it tries to make race and privilege synonymous. Privilege exists in society. It goes well beyond race, gender, etc. Some are born with very easy walks through life, and others are born disabled into trailer parks with single moms who are crack addicts.
     
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    The rhetorical question is in THE TITLE of the thread! How could it be a "diversion"? A "diversion" from WHAT?

    What nonsense!!!

    What IS a diversion is the fact that, after I have called you out again and again, you STILL won't address the studies, analysis, facts, reports... that are referenced in the OP and which prove my point.
     
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    Congratulations! You have just described institutional racism.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    SHOW a study demonstrating that blacks COMMIT more of any of those. Not that they are arrested or accused more often (which the OP already addresses). What you need to show is evidence of your claim that they actually commit them.

    Read the OP before responding!
     
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    Read the FBI data on gun crimes. Simple math.
     
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    Great. So lets do something about that, instead of further labelling black people as poor and violent, in need of special help and unable to excel. Lets lift up the poor without equating poverty to blackness. Let's encourage black kids and white kids to see race as a stupid thing to care about, and be friends. Let's stop pretending "black people can't be racist", and instead all recognize that prejudice and bigotry is wrong no matter who does it and no matter who it is targeted at. Lets put emphasis on human empathy instead of human tribalism.
     
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    The thread title is no rhetorical question. That's your after-the-fact CYA claim.
    I already pointed out that your first link doesn't say what you claimed. There was no need to go further. “Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus”
     
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    Sorry, but what was described was not institutional racism.
     
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    This link more explains your thought process then argue your point.

    It is unrealistic to suggest that through hard work dedication and correct Life choices that you can go from some drug slinging low-life thug to Oprah Winfrey level of success. However what will absolutely happen is you will end off in a much better situation than where you started and should you elect to have any children they too will benefit from your correct Life choices and thus start off in a much more advantage position.

    Anything less than asking a person to have personal responsibility in making correct life choices and to be punished for making wrong Life choices is ridiculous.

    The left really do hate personal responsibility. And for some strange reason they think that all men are actually created equal when the reality is we are all granted certain benefits and privileges as well as disadvantages. It's how we use those advantages that determines how far we get ahead in life.

    So I reject your idea and your little link here as anything but a window into how your brain thinks.
     
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    I have, repeatedly. Your disbelief in the statistics doesnt change that fact. Blacks are more likely to commit violent crime according to victim reports, police arrests and criminal convictions. ALL evidence indicates this.
     
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    You have just illustrated institutional racism. In this thread alone, no less than ten (I lost count) right-wingers have claimed that there is "abundance of evidence". Guess how many have actually show just one example of this "abundant" evidence? None!!! Including you.
     

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