What exactly did Trump get for the US in Singapore?

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    That's all textbook bullshit, "as negotiations continue"

    If "negotiations continue" the way the first meeting took place North Korea will have all they want as time goes on without giving up any of their nuclear arsenal. Negotiations mean each side gives up something, the US accomplished next to nothing in Singapore, if everything stayed the same, North Korea took us to the cleaners
     
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    it's been one day man, geez what did you expect Kim and Trump to go do some hookers, get matching tattoos and then declare world peace all in one day? It seems to me that anything less then Kim in a box and US troops in Pyongyang is the only thing you will except. But I say diplomacy takes time and this one will take longer then most if we want it to stick. It may fail it may succeed but give Trump some time.
     
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    My understanding is that they consider themselves to already be nuclear and have some number of missiles ready. I'm sure further testing could increase their capabilities and likeliness of hitting us harder, but it would be diminishing returns. They believe they can hit us, and they think we know it and consider the possibility to be too high of a cost to risk attempting regime change, and that's all that matters.

    So in terms of denuclearization, the only thing that matters there is accounting for and eliminating the missiles they already have. This requires unrestricted inspections. That's really the key.

    All that said, to be clear, I don't care about their denuclearization. I find it hypocritical of us to tell them to disarm while we are so well armed. And frankly, they shouldn't disarm. The next president may decide to undo everything Trump does. Trump has shown that America is unreliable, but isn't interested in getting nuked. So Un should string us along to try to get economic relief but hold on to his missiles because it's the only... Trump card he has.
     
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    "Kim gets to play hero at home, call himself the winner- but he would do that regardless of what happened," which is exactly what Trump is doing now and you are buying it

    Kim didn't make any promises, yet Trump gave up major concessions for the hope of future promises, it isn't someone saying "success wasn't really success," there was no success
     
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    Didn't read the real news, did you?
     
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    You are totally missing the point, yes it has been one day, but North Korea in that one day got nearly everything they wanted and the US gave up nearly everything North Korea wanted, not a very successful first day
     
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    Apparently not the same "news" you call news
     
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    That's what I fear.

    I figure there's still a number of people in his government that served his father.
     
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    I do think there is a power struggle behind the scenes and Kim may be the new generation that leads NK out of the stone age with the help and guidance of Trump. That is unless he suddenly "falls ill" and dies.
     
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    Huh? We're sanctions lifted? Guess I missed that.
     
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    The facts are we gave up a lot and got more North Korean promises in return, and you can find something to celebrate in that reality?
     
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    There was a commitment to ease sanctions along with a promise of US aid and investment, but the real give away was the legitimacy we gave the penny dictator plus the easement of US/South Korea military operations. And in return we got next to nothng, oh wait, another promise by North Korea that they will negotiate in good faith in future negotiations
     
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    Define "a lot"
     
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    The President may not be able to say him from his own government.
     
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    You really need to get out more, a lot more
     
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    Yes a commitment to ease sanctions and provide aid after Kim complies with our demands not before as other presidents have done.
     
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    Thousands of centrifuges shut down, dismantled and turned over to the IAEA, inspections of Iran's nuclear facilities, and tons of enriched uranium turned over.
     
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    Had Obama and the Fat Kid sat down, the amount of leg tingling coming out of Legacy/Left Media would make Stormy Daniels blush.
     
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    A starting point.
     
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    He gave you left wing whiners that are still distraught over Hillary losing something else to whine about.
     
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    Please explain what we got beyond a photo op for Tump
     
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    How stupid. We were headed for war.

    You obviously don't pay attention. Stop watching reruns of Seinfeld.
     
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    We would disintegrate NK. Does that make you mad?
     
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    It's true. Trump didn't get any money from Kim. No aircraft are going to unload pallets of cash at Joint Base Andrews.
     

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