What happens to those who are not good at working?

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  1. wgabrie

    wgabrie Well-Known Member Donor

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    So, I was wondering. You know those people who are not good at working at a competitive rate, but they still need to work to get money?

    It used to be the case that if you weren't so good at something you could go to work for the government or the post office. Now, with Elon Musk wanting to privatize everything, a lot more people are going to face fierce competition in the workplace in the private sector. Even in former government jobs that were privatized.

    What is going to happen to them now? Cashier at the grocery store or McDonalds? Yeah right! Those jobs require hard work for minimum pay anyway. At least they put people into the low pay category that they'll qualify for government benefits. But wait! Cuts to Medicaid are being considered! So much for that.

    Oh, how terrible for those workers. I'm sure that ignoring their plight and doing nothing, not looking at them, is certainly an attractive option right now. Right?
    :)
     
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    They become politicians

    Hakeem Jeffries has a net worth of $9 million. A few years ago he declared assets of $600K.
     
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    Giving people a job they don't qualify for or pay they are incapable of earning is just another form of welfare.
     
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    They can door dash and shoplift I suppose. Probably throw in a lot of sponging off others like they probably already are doing.

    TBH, I have seen people in this boat pretty much my whole life around here. There used to be a lot of jobs available for those types--crappy jobs, but jobs. No more no skill factory jobs to be had as all but a few of the factories have gone away and the ones that remain tend to need people with decent skill sets.
     
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    They'll probably end up in prison. 40k a pop. Although I heard Alabama can cook a prisoner each year for 15k a pop.
     
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    Do you think that's what DEI is?
     
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    Instead of sitting in offices doing nothing, they could be out doing vegetation management and cutting fire breaks, for example.
     
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    considering the general ineptitude of most government workers, this would seem to be a good way to reduce the surplus population.
     
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    Why do you think government hires workers with non-competitive CVs? Do they pick the bottom candidate when they do a job search?

    In any case, it seems that government workers are always disparaged by the right, claiming that they are lazy, do nothing, but still get great pay. Question: If the job is so easy to do and get, while having great benefits and pay, why are the righties not applying for those government jobs?
     
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    You know this myth of the lazy government worker is just that. Sure there are the occasional specimens of bureaucraticus fluff bunnius but you find them in any organisation of more than about twenty people. Most government workers are conscientious and often put in more than eight hour days
     
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    What do you consider “inept”? The person cleaning up the national park? The bloke testing water in the lakes? The nuclear scientist ensuring none of the stored bombs are going to go boom?
     
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    When we had the military draft, we screened draftees and volunteers both physically and mentally. Most were given jobs according to their aptitude and they had to learn and perform that task or head for the brig/stockade. Some were given dishonorable discharges, and some were rejected for either physical or mental limitations. The problem today is the lefties want us to just support those who choose not to work. A person on disability who drives a vehicle should be assigned a job. Same with a person who sits all day in front of a TV. We need better evaluations of the homeless for starters. Nothing wrong with making people get out of the wagon and push. Treat 'em like the military.
     
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    this is precisely the sort of response i would expect from a defender of radical statism. did i say all? of course not, but your immediate defense was to assume i was attacking those few public servants who actually know what they are doing. spend any amount of time observing an office filled with people employed by the government and, if you are at all honest, you will realize that i am being generous when i claim that only one in ten of them have any clue as to what is going on outside of the few forms they must complete in order to fill out their day. government work never has attracted the best and the brightest, but quotas and dei type programs have destroyed what little integrity there was in the system.
     
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    Theres **** jobs for **** workers. Always has been. Anyone can improve. You have to want to. Getting a better job with better pay is suppsed to be the incentive to motivate someone to be a better worker. Its not govts job to subsidize bad work with the money taken from my labor.
     
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    What happens to those who are not good at working?

    Do people really believe people who "aren't good at something" only work for the govt? Utterly ignorant thinking. Crappy workers exist in every white collar and blue collar industry/business. Private companies fire about 1% of their employees every year.
     
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    Some divisive specifics aside, I think an important question is present at the heart of this thread.

    We don’t want people to be impoverished or homeless. It’s bad for society. We know that some people simply don’t accel in working environments. This can be attributed to a variety of causes that are both within and outside their control.

    I believe there are humane approaches to helping people contribute to society without being a drain. I’m interested in thoughts and ideas.
     
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    For those with disabilities, its beyond their control. Creating generations of dependence is also bad for society. If the need for welfare does not decrease over time, it cannot be considered a successful program. I grew up on welfare back in the days of government cheese. (It was pretty good!) The vast majority of my friends were in the same boat. One thing almost all the welfare recipients had in common was that the girls always found money for nice hair, nails, shoes and jewelry. The boys had brand name clothes and expensive shoes. Parents had nice furniture, big TVs, and nice cars.

    Handouts need to decrease over time.
    Businesses should be allowed to utilize these human resources under apprenticeship programs.
     
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    I’m not sold on the welfare queen narrative as being so common as people think. Much of that is Reagan era slander meant to justify cutting aid to citizens.

    That said, I think there is value in programs that can allow people to learn a trade working in various industries at low cost to employers while welfare makes up the difference to keep people at a livable income. Such a system would have to be heavily regulated to avoided abuse though.
     
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    Did you grow up in a poor, welfare neighborhood?
     
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    Well, for starters, they'll collect their unemployment and their food stamps and their welfare, and some of them will get media attention and we'll learn how heartless D.O.G.E. is for eliminating those jobs.

    Then they'll move into their parents (or kids) basement. And start posting on here as liberals. :)
     
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    Come on. You should know from our previous conversations that I don’t put much value in personal/anecdotal experiences.

    If I say no, then I don’t know what I’m talking about. If I say yes, you won’t believe me. Don’t really feel like playing that game. :)
     
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    You and I are just random people on the internet. Here in the opinions and beliefs section, you will find anecdotal content. Your personal experience is neither right nor wrong. Its just an experience. It adds perspective.
     
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    Fair enough. With the promise that I’ll be taken at my word and my experiences will not invalidate my opinion, I’m happy to share.

    I grew up in a mid to low income family. We
    Made enough that my mother could stay home with us but we weren’t by any means wealthy.

    Through Scouts and church youth groups I met and made friends with kids from all sorts of economic situations. I could always tell who was struggling and who was doing well when I would go to their houses to play. The kids who were struggling, in my experience, weren’t sporting expensive clothes, toys, or any other signs of misspent wealth.

    Data doesn’t back up the welfare queen stereotype, nor does my personal experience.
     
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    DEI is nonsense. Merit is how employment should be decided.
     
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    It never was the only thing.
     
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