What Happens When We Stop Believing in God

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  1. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    And for those who do not believe in supernatural beings as a matter of faith. That's why we keep matters of religious faith separate from our government and government our of matters of religious faith so we all have the liberty to lead our philosophies of life without government interference or sanction.
     
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    keep in mind however religion is a far broader scope than simple faith in something supernatural.
    eating pork is a fav to bring up, all part of a religion.
    senators are discussing how the roe decision and other issues are all under religion and the free exercise thereof out of concern for the fallout of the recent scrotumus maximus decision, (that they never had the 'constitutionally legitimate' authority to rule on in the first place and did a piss poor job of it when they did going both directions!)
     
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    As I noted in another thread much of those early beliefs such as prohibitions against shell fish and pork were based on health reasons, both were dirty foods back then and made people sick. That medicine was not so advanced as to point out no it's not a supernatural being punishing you for eating it is bacteria and parasites that are making you sick or even killing you. But the SCOTUS decision was not based on any religious belief it is based on inherent rights of our birth and being human beings. That transcends religious faith alone.
     
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    its based on 'beliefs' and 'conscience', so the senators reported to the news paper.
    and I agree with their assessment
    they are looking at getting involved at the federal level to try and smooth the **** mess scrotomus created.
    there are 100% secular religions acknowledged by the guv as religions you know.
    and I just happen to have it handy!


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    re·li·gion
    /rəˈlijən/

    noun
    1. the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.
      "ideas about the relationship between science and religion"
    And my comments were about religious FAITH and as the title says supernatural beings.
     
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    Religion doesn't necessarily require Gods, of course. There are plenty of atheistic religions, that believe in spirit force, chi, etc. Ancestor worship is also pretty common, worshiping spirits and ghosts of ancestors in the afterlife, but not any belief in Gods.
     
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    What happens when you stop believing in a magic horseshoe? A magic rabbit's foot? The list goes on and on
     
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    Says the fellow who sits on both sides of fence - ran from playground calling names --- Indeed your pile grows ... only a the idiot or rash Historical illiterate can not come up with 10 counter examples to your Atheist killing/example - do you not agree ?

    The crucifixion of your position -- nails already in .. and no need for 10 .. 3 will do .

    What is Worse A) The Moron B) The one pretending to be a moron?

    and do you not agree .. bout the Hitorical Illiterate .. in the room .. who can't come up with 10 examples ?

    ...
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Go Troll somewhere else - enough of these made up playground accusations from the peanut gallery .. Get .. Git .. Gone :)
     
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    and I pointed out that you are using a single most narrow definition of religion, others apply
    religion is always about faith and typically used for beliefs that are not scientifically definable.



    Religion Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster
    https://www.merriam-webster.com › dictionary › religion

    Definition of religion 1 : a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices. 2a(1) : the service and worship of God or ...


    Religion Definition & Meaning | Dictionary.com
    https://www.dictionary.com › browse › religion


    Religion definition, a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman ...


    What is Religion? Definition, Types, and Effects - Verywell Mind
    https://www.verywellmind.com › ... › Spirituality


    Jul 21, 2022 — Religion often involves cultural beliefs, worldviews, texts, prophecies, revelations, and morals that have spiritual meaning to members of ...


    and the Problem of Defining Religion
    https://www.learnreligions.com › what-is-religion-250672


    Jun 25, 2019 — For those who focus upon substantive or essentialist definitions, religion is all about content: if you believe certain types of things you ...



    I cited durkheim because his definition is far superior to any I have seen to date in so far as capturing the overall best of all worlds definition since the word 'religion' is polysemous and includes many aspects of human thought and life.

    What is religion.


    Religion is best characterized as the non-empirical homologue of ideological beliefs, by contrast with science or philosophy the cognitive interest is no longer primary, but gives way to the evaluative interest.

    Acceptance of a religious belief is then commitment to its implementation in action in a sense in which acceptance of a philosophical belief is not.

    Or, to put it more accurately a philosophical belief becomes a religious belief insofar as it is made the basis of a commitment in action.

    Religious ideas may be speculative in philosophical sense, but the attitude toward them is not speculative in the sense that well "I wonder if it would make sense to look at it this way?"

    Religious ideas then may be conceived as answers to the 'problems of meaning' in both senses discussed above.

    On the one hand they concern the cognitive definition of the situation for action as a whole, including the cathetic and evaluative levels of interest in the situation.

    This they share with ideological beliefs.

    On the other hand, however, they also must include the problems of 'meaning' in the larger philosophical sense of the meaning of the objects of empirical cognition, of nature, human nature, so the vicissitudes of human life etc from the point of view. durkhiem


    He does a great job of distinguishing and explaining which beliefs can be classified as a religion and which cannot by driving to the actual substantive as well as comprehensive meaning of religion..
     
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    Based on beliefs in a supernatural being. It is what is religion. And the faith is in the belief of that supernatural being. It doesn't require religious belief or faith in a supernatural being to have morals and ethics which form a philosophical believe in how one should lead ones life. Yes I know for some strange reason many of religious faith try to claim atheism is a "religion" when in fact it is not. There is no one structured "atheistic" belief. Atheist simply means no belief in supernatural beings to be worshipped.

    And the thread here is SPECIFICALLY about belief in a supernatural god isn't it.
     
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    false, there are other definitions that do not require a supernatural being validate durkheim!
    no, belief/religion can be both secular/natural or deity/supernatural.
    secular humanism is a religion.
    satanism is a religion.
    can be, but you can also have faith and believe that your pet rock is going to spout into a water fountain.
    IF and only IF you actually practice is, yes than is a religion. religion required belief + actions in accordance with your belief.
    Yes there are several one cant even decide they are an atheist without forming a truckload of beliefs just to get that far.
    worship is an accessory to belief, but to atheist there is a long list of corresponding actions associated just by holding the title.
    Its about both
     
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    I don't understand how people can declare there is no God without knowing. Especially considering the miracle of life and the wondrousness of the earth and all the good things in life.
     
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    People declare that there is a God with no evidence all of the time. Do you have an issue with that? Especially considering all of the needlessly horrible things on earth and all of the horrible things in life?
     
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    If there is no God, then why do you blame him for all that is wrong? Isn't it a fact that everything wrong with your life is your fault and your responsibility....likewise all of mankinds faults are their own doing and responsibility? But you blame God just so you can absolve yourself of accountability, forever unrepentant, perpetually crucifying the one person who loves you more than anyone, and seeking fellowship with those who care not one whit for your soul. They tell you what you want to hear, and reinforce the lie. I suspect that the truth is not dead within you, or you would not so rigorously contend against it. You are at war with yourself. Halt, dismount, lay down your sword and reassess. There is no shame in making peace. It is more courageous than vengeance. And murder is cowardly.
     
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    Likewise the remainder of our rights in liberty are a hedge against the harmful philosophies of others, like wolves in sheeps clothing.
     
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    The problem here is that we have both extremes trying to gain control. On the one side we have the religious fanatics, usually Christian, who want to make the US into, if not an actual, an effect theocracy. On the other side of the street, we have the evangelical atheists types who want to force everyone into non-religion, and make such beliefs illegal. Meanwhile the rest of us are like, you believe what you do and I'll believe what I do and we can still be friends.
     
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    I can work with that. But we still need laws that hold people to a modicum of civility.
     
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    Can you give me some examples of these people? And how can an atheist be evangelical?
     
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    This is absolute bullshit. Two reasons: 1) that's what the Northern Democrats proposed, and the Southern Democrats split with them specifically because they disagreed and wanted to be be able to keep their slaves no matter what territory they moved to, functionally meaning there would no longer be any such thing as a free state or territory . . . they wanted slavery allowed in all states and territories. 2) The constitution of the CSA DID NOT allow territories to "decide for themselves." It explicitly forbade them from doing so.
     
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    It's taken on faith. Don't doubt the power of belief.
     
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    Aside from the fact that "civility" can be a rather subjective word, I agree. For some reason, people seem to think that libertarians don't like laws. We know them to indeed be necessary. It's the type of laws and at what levels of government they are at, where we tend to differ from others.
     
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    Yeah, it's a fine line. The problem resides in the rising and falling of the virtues or values and standards held by society at large.
     
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    On the rare instances when Biblical "virtues or values" don't rise and fall, they are absolutely monstrous, and society at large has started to outgrow their poison.
     

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