But if they're already passing passengers through bodyscanners, what would a slight tweak in the software hurt? The image file would automatically be sent to an electronic database. Might come in handy for helping to solve crimes in the future. I'm just saying, it wouldn't just be "merely a plane ride away"...
I am not saying that you cannot convince me; I am saying that you have not been able to make a case. Your belief is not good enough. None of the challenges with restricted abortion have been addressed. I do believe that we can save lives and make a difference, but no not believe government involvement can do anything but make things worse. We are having a polite discussion. While I may disagree, he has my respect. You are an example of why we cannot allow the government grow too powerful.
It wouldn't matter because you would never know. Just like you knew nothing of what was happening before you were born.
EXACTLY! The OP is asking us to approach it from the position of the fetus, but trouble is, you can't do that as an adult, because they already have knowledge of the world and how it works. The only thing a fetus is aware of is the occasional bump, and sounds that are in the immediate vicinity. But, they don't know what is making the sound, or even what that sound is all about.
I would not know in any way, so it would not matter. I would be unable to think, so I would not care. I would never exist so the universe would not notice.
That's a non-sequitur. You wouldn't know it if out of nowhere you suddenly died in an instant either. The lack of temporarily having the ability to think is not a prerequisite for having no rights. A hospital patient in a coma, someone who's sleeping, a baby, someone on mentally incapacitating drugs... You think it is of no consequence if they die? That's the issue, you did exist. No one denies that people existed as toddlers, or existed as babies. Why are you so adamant that people never existed as fetuses either, before they were born?
I did not say what you are placing in my mouth...stop it. Note the word "I" in all this. Though a fetus obviously exists it has no idea that it does.
How do you really know what goes through the mind of a fetus, without any outside experiences, sitting there in the womb?
Well, see, there's this thing called science, ya I know it's frightening to Anti-Choicers but science knows that the fetus can't think because science knows what makes thinking possible and it isn't possible in a fetus. ...and, of course, it doesn't matter what the fetus thinks if it could think....so go around in your little circles....it all comes out the same
They have found the fetus is aware of its mothers voice and responds accordingly. A harsh outside voice causes a fetus to react by sticking out an arm or leg as if to stay stay away. They've even discovered some food preferences may start in the womb.
Its gradual. At 8 weeks its only lips ( below) sense of touch A baby’s senses begin to develop in a predictable order, says Heidelise Als, an associate professor of psychology at Harvard Medical School and Children’s Hospital Boston. And the first to come on board is touch. By eight weeks of pregnancy, a fetus responds to touch around his lips and cheeks, and by 11 weeks, he has begun exploring his own body and his warm dark nest with his mouth, hands and feet. Ultrasound scans show babies “touching their buttocks, holding onto the umbilical cord, turning and walking up and down the amniotic sac wall on the inside,” says Als. “They are not passively quiet in the womb.” In the nearly weightless, fluid-filled environment of the amniotic sac, Als believes the fetus uses touch to both soothe and teach himself. “Fetuses are laying down their own cortical networks in the brain,” she says. When babies are born prematurely, she points out, they continue to seek that interaction, but within a dramatically different environment: the neonatal intensive care unit (NICU). But the hard surfaces of the incubators neither yield to them nor cradle them. “You will see these little preemies trying to bring their hands together or bring their hands to their face, or lay them over their head and their ear,” says Als. “They search, literally, with their feet to try to find a boundary.” The unborn child reacts strongly to his mother’s movements as well. Most moms notice that when they touch their belly, the baby kicks back or responds in some way, says Als. “If it’s a firm touch, they may move away and stick out their arm,” as if to ward you off. Research shows that unborn infants respond to more than just physical touch—they respond to their mother’s emotional state as well. When mothers watch sad films, babies move less. But when a mother laughs, says Als, ultrasound images show that “the baby kind of trampoline bounces.” When she laughs harder, the baby bounces even more exuberantly. “It’s fascinating,” she says. “There’s such an interaction between mother and child on all levels.” Message to Mom: The atmosphere in your womb is perfect for your baby to explore and learn, says Als. But since babies clearly react to their mothers’ moods, it’s good to try to keep stress levels to a minimum. If you have a high-stress job or are at a particularly hairy point in your life, you might want to take up meditation or some other activity that helps you regain your calm. Baby’s taste recognition Whether your child grows up to be a cookie monster or adores curry may have something to do with what you eat during your pregnancy. By the second trimester, your fetus’s taste buds look just like those of a mature adult, and the amniotic fluid surrounding her can carry the odour of curry, garlic, anise or vanilla, for example. “Research has shown us that not only is the machinery [to taste] there,” says professor Julie Mennella, a biopsychologist at the Monell Chemical Senses Center in Philadelphia, “but infants will respond differently to a flavour they experienced in amniotic fluid as well as in the mother’s milk.” For example, when Mennella randomly assigned a group of mothers to either drink carrot juice regularly during pregnancy or lactation, or to avoid carrots, she found that “the babies who had experienced the flavour of carrots either in amniotic fluid or in mother’s milk were more accepting of that food at weaning.” Other studies have found that babies make less negative faces in response to the smell of foods like garlic or anise if their mothers ate the food while pregnant. Mennella’s theory is that fetuses form memories of flavours from being exposed to them in the womb. “During the last trimester, a fetus swallows up to a litre of amniotic fluid a day,” she points out. The fluid flows over the olfactory receptors in their noses and the taste buds in their mouths, and may act as a “flavour bridge” to breastmilk, and then to table food. That doesn’t mean your infant’s sense of taste is fully developed before birth. Although doctors have noted that a 35-week-old preemie will suck harder on a sweetened nipple than on a plain rubber one, babies are born unable to detect the taste of salt. That particular taste experience doesn’t become known to them until about four months after they are born. It’s the brain that is perceiving this, says Mennella. “The sense of taste continues to develop throughout childhood and adolescence.”
What was described is , in most cases of fetuses before 18 weeks, reflex actions, not conscious actions...and has nothing to do with whether they can think or not.
Read the post you are responding to, you misread it. Having empathy for people, or wanting to ease peoples suffering or hardship, is not self-centered. Wanting everyone to have medical care in their time of need is not self-centered. And I did not write that it was. I wrote that much in America is me-me-me, from MIllenials wanting others to pay their school loans to "free" government health care for all to whether "I want" a baby. "Free" govt health care is a myth, it is not free, it will not and does not provide health care for all people. Many of those who demand "free govt health care" want it for selfish reasons, their motives are jealousy, laziness, and even hatred.
And if she aborted you wouldn’t have existed....and if she had sex the day before, you might have been a girl with red curls and you’re mama wouldn’t have missed you.
Says you. A convenient little made-up distinction so you can get your abortions without fretting over any troublesome ethical issues that might stand in the way.
FoxHastings said: ↑ So what? They're born so have rights, a fetus isn't born so doesn't have rights . A "convenient little made-up distinction " that is the law Says me and the Supreme Court and the Constitution.. I have no ethical issues with abortion.... After all the time you spend in this forum you still haven't learned that fetuses have no rights..........that's quite odd.
Do you feel better after the insults and nastiness ? Bet YOU do. All that childish emotion really needs an outlet... Now, what I find sickening, cold hearted and quite disgusting are those who denigrate and minimize the atrocities and horrors that Jews and others endured at the hands of Nazis and compare that to the quick painless death of a fetus. It is pathetic when an American thinks women having a right to their own bodies is strange and disgusting and people who defend that right are "cold" , strange, and compares them with Nazis. . I guess for them decency, normalcy, and warmth mean forcing women to gestate.........and "demonizing" the people who want rights for everyone, women included. ...and you can thank me for not reporting the Off Topic Insulting Personal Attack bunch of trash that was your post
Unfortunately I feel the need to interject here regardless of the vitriol and backlash it will result in. I removed your persona from my view because of your tendency to represent yourself in a very negative light both in your belief you are entitled to freedom to biatch because you obviously find yourself to be some amazing beauty and because you are female. Truth be told you ain't all that and your reply heavily indicates the Biatching I refer to. As a general rule Fox avoids unpleasantry in his interactions while you seem to do the opposite unless someone cow toes to your splendor which you clearly thrive on, expect, and feed upon. Now...back to your regularly scheduled program and my impending warning for speaking the truth.
If it’s a person, that’s a far bigger problem for you, because no person has the right to use another person’s body against that person’s will.
