What if it's NOT her body?

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by kazenatsu, Jan 28, 2018.

  1. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Allow me to clearly state that if YOU were to use these newly given rights on my wife, sister, mother or even a close friend...I would be "Using" my rights to eliminate your existence and thus any rights you once thought you had. I am not a violent man, never have been but I would make an exception at that point....seriously.
     
  2. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    What do you mean by ""resort to forceful coercion down to 18 weeks."" ?

    How do you "forcefully coerce" a woman to gestate?

    Or are you saying you'd be willing to personally punish every woman who has an abortion?
     
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    You can have his heart so long as you prove that your existence would be better for society than his.
     
  4. FoxHastings

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    Which is a non-answer.
     
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  5. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But that's what abortion is!
     
  6. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    No, it isn't.....no one is forcing a belief on a fetus.....
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Others = Other living humans.

    There is no living human in the early stages of pregnancy.
     
  8. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    OK, let's just ban abortion when there is a living human then.

    And don't tell me that starts at viability.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    From my perspective I agree that a living human exists prior to birth. While this removes one legal roadblock to a ban there are legal arguments from other angles.

    Without getting into these arguments ... I will say in general that once the "Living Human" status has been achieved there are good arguments that can be made for a ban after this point "sans immediate threat to the life of the mother".
     
  10. eathen lord

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    What societal obligations do you speak of?
    government must be amoral in its application of the law so your religious/spiritual idea is irrelevant.
    We have social obligations that restrain our actions and require us to be productive members of society we don't want any hint of the Republic Of Gilead.
     
  11. Renee

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    Thanks for mansplaining
     
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  12. Renee

    Renee Well-Known Member

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    If you think a zygote is a child, then just remove it and dress it in a cute onesy
     
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    When someone tries to pin you down on what you believe, or point out the inconsistencies of your position you just disappear from the thread :)
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What a preposterously silly argument - on many levels.

    1) You start out "if" there is a God. OK ... so what if there is a God. How does this make a woman's body not her own ? Prove that God has claimed that the woman's body is not her own to do with what she pleases.

    2) The Collective - her body belongs to the collective you say. What are we now "the Borg" ? While you may desire that our Gov't take control over every aspect of a persons body - or for some communist utopia - the principle on which this particular nation was founded was respect for individual liberty - that individual liberty is "above" the legitimate authority of Gov't.

    3) Yes .. it is slavery - by definition. While there are lesser forms of indentured servitude - such as taxes, what you are talking about is full on slavery.

    Please do not ever run for political office.
     
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  15. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Don't like Abortion....Don't have one.
    Don't like pickles...Don't eat them.
    Don't like football...Don't watch it.

    Try to make my wife do what you say with her body....Don't drop your guard.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Don't like slavery, don't own one.

    Sorry, that argument's already been tried.
     
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    Ya, and that argument failed...so why do you keep bringing it up.

    The only comparison slavery has to abortion is the FACT that Anti-Choicers want to treat women as slaves....


    Why do you keep bringing up "arguments' that have been thoroughly trashed repeatedly ?...it almost makes look like you're paid to repeat the same things...
     
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    Yes it has, because its true. It is now illegal to own a slave in this country and is legal to have an Abortion. Slavery is illegal because of human rights advancement, Abortion is legal for the same reason.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Only Pro-Choicers would think a woman killing her as yet to be born baby is a human right.
     
  20. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And only a cruel egomaniac would try to physically impose their opinion on someone else concerning their own body. Only someone who cannot think things through would neglect to consider HOW they would do so and only the purposefully ignorant would ignore documented reality that clearly explains the results their actions would produce.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your argument is that women would try to kill their fetuses and reap the consequences.

    NO ONE is, was, or would be, dragging women to a back alley operating table.


    Should we ban barbed wire on the top of fences because some people are hurting themselves climbing over?
     
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  22. tecoyah

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    Nope, that is the well documented and extremely obvious REALITY! That you cannot see it or refuse to is the definition of purposeful ignorance. What you are arguing is that they would not...and every single shred of evidence and data says you are incorrect. I also wonder HOW you would enforce this beyond closing all clinics to deny medical care. Will you create a Vaginal inspection force that checks random women for possible abortion? Do you create a pregnancy list and assign an officer to belly monitor? What happens to the woman if she bets busted and lives...do we kill her then?

    Think it through there dude....how will this work?
     
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    If God owns my body he sure must hate it for he hasn't treated any body very well. At least not like he loved it.
     
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    And only the uneducated would think a ZEF is the same as a child. Let me guess, you don’t have a uterus.
    You should watch handmaids tale where they force women to breed against their will
     
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    Only an Anti-choicer would thinks it's fine to deny women the right to their own bodies making them them nothing more than slaves.
     
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