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What if life does begin at conception?

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Josephwalker, Jun 11, 2019.

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  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think the debate is on when life enters a body and the body being alive - are they one and the same or is there an external component, are we more then our bodies

    if a fetus is aborted, will the life force just hop to the next available vessel when it's ready to enter this physical world?
     
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  2. Josephwalker

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    Some restrictions as in? Once you have restrictions on abortion you change teams like it or not.
     
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    Josephwalker Banned

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    And once again you avoid the question in the op by answering with a question.
     
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    Well I've enjoyed my morning debate on this subject and thank those who participated. I'm off to real life. Have a nice day.:)
     
    Josephwalker, Jun 12, 2019
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  5. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    your the op, you set the tone of the tread, you went off topic and then got upset that someone replied to you?

    laws can be made to keep people from putting chemicals in the air, not for forcing a women to have their rapists baby
     
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    Wrong again. Man, you're good at being wrong. Most states already have some restrictions regarding abortions after the 20th week, and most pro-choicers are OK with those restrictions.
     
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    obviously you don't want to have real debate...
     
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    the question in the op "Can we really take a chance that we are destroying a human life for the convenience of the mother."

    you posed the question, you set the tone for the thread
     
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  9. FoxHastings

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    Not true.


    Allowing restrictions was a sop to the Rabid Anti-Choicers.

    AND since most abortions are done before 18 weeks there wasn't a problem with accepting restrictions.
     
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  10. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The image is not showing ??
     
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    Some random person needing your heart is not the same as your baby needing to use your womb for a few months...

    You should see there are some obvious differences.

    How about when it comes to money? You seem perfectly fine with person A being forced to pay for medical treatment for person B.
     
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    Nope, it's the same.....a parent with BORN kids is under no obligation to give their kids their heart or blood or anything else and cannot be forced to..

    Relationship does not matter.



    No, there are no real differences.

    That has nothing to do with being forced to use your body or body part to sustain the life of another.

    However, if a fetus ever needs medical care then it should pay it's own way :) Right?
     
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    You are incorrect. Lets assume conception creates a human being and killing that human becomes a crime. Now what? How do you address:

    Medical tourism
    Abortion drugs
    Black market abortion
    Zero chance knowing who is pregnant
     
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    Why do you feel money is somehow fundamentally different from natural use of a body part?
     
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    Nope, it's the same.....a parent with BORN kids is under no obligation to give their kids their heart or blood or anything else and cannot be forced to..

    Relationship does not matter.




    No, there are no real differences.


    That has nothing to do with being forced to use your body or body part to sustain the life of another.

    However, if a fetus ever needs medical care then it should pay it's own way :) Right?





    Uh, DUH, because it's money and not a body part...(SweetJaysus, can't you tell the difference???)


    Hey, instead of cherry picking posts why can't you address ALL of the post?

    It's above for your handy reference....;)
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is an interesting analogy.

    But with a pregnancy, the woman is the only person who can give life to the child.

    And of course it's a perfectly natural thing.

    And pregnancy is very common, whereas the specific scenario you're describing is much rarer.
     
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    Nope, it's the same.....a parent with BORN kids is under no obligation to give their kids their heart or blood or anything else and cannot be forced to..

    Relationship does not matter.




    No, there are no real differences.


    That has nothing to do with being forced to use your body or body part to sustain the life of another.

    However, if a fetus ever needs medical care then it should pay it's own way :) Right?





    That's irrelevant.

    If there are two people stranded on an island neither owes the other anything even if they are the only ones there.



    So? Another irrelevancy.




    Again, irrelevant...the number of times makes no difference at all...


    BTW, the specific scenario I talked about, being forced by law to give another a body part isn't just rare, it doesn't exist ;)
     
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    Obviously, the newly formed Vaginal Inspection Squad will monitor all females of breeding age, Place travel restrictions, perform monthly blood tests, and manually review each vagina for possible internal manipulation.
     
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    I was considering joining the Vaginal Inspection Squad. I heard there were a lot of openings! :p:
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Unfortunately they are already fully staffed with extreme right wing Christian soldiers....hand picked by the true chief pu$$ygrabber.
     
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    Yet your party wants the big powerful government to do your thinking for you, so just suck it up and go along with it. They know whats best!
     
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  22. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And you even got your morning exercise dodging and running away! :)
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am an Ex-Republican Independent so really...I have no party.
     
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    Fair enough. Many who supported Obamacare and gun control are complaining about the government interfering in their abortion rights.
     
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    I do not see any correlation beyond partisan talking points....which is likely your intent.
     
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