What is a racist?

Creasy go into stand up comedy. Even in that profession now you can't say damn thing without it being interpreted as unacceptable. English has always if used rigidly turned into an absurd joke of constipation.

 

Some African Americans are immune from racism?

 

Maybe we could get rid of everyone with an IQ below 70 too?

 

As I already told you, the far left is very racist. Communists are more bigoted and racist than any of the far right white supremacists. A communist world wouldn't allow for diversity of any kind. That's why your diatribe against Marxism-Leninism and Maoism sounds like a comical farce to one who knows that side only too well.

The world is not divided in far right and far left though. Members of the extremes are more vocal, and more visible, but most people are not there. Why judge the world by the extremes?

Of course we're not the same under the skin. Each and every member of the human race is unique. Majority is an illusion. Each and every one of us belongs at least to one minority one way or another - ideologically, culturally, socially, geographically, professionally, or any other division you can think of, including favorite sports and weight. We are all minorities.

Even at a cursory glance, advanced civilizations are not based on obedience to law and monogamy. They're based on recognition, and respect for, individual human rights and human dignity, including children, and emancipation of women. Blind obedience to law characterizes bloody dictatorships and theocracies, while advanced civilizations allow public debate and reforms. Look at Saudi Arabia, or Iran, to understand the consequences of imposing obedience to law no matter what.

Rulers in the West have lost the ability to rule several times in history, yet the West is not tribal yet, is it?

Both the far right and the far left envision a perfect world, ruled with an iron fist by immutable laws believed to be the best laws possible, a world of obedient robots, an unchanging world of utter and complete stagnation. I hate to break it to you, but such a world means the end of the human race as we know it, because it denies growth and improvement.

 

No no, please feel free to stay.

 

Sorry I have only read your response now. No on wants you to deny anything. All some of us are arguing is its counter-productive to compare pain and say one person's pain is worse than another's. Your pain or what you have seen is genuine of course. Just don't have it blind you to the pain others experience as well and vice versa. I would never compare what my ancestor's went through to yours in terms of whose pain is greater. Its an insult to both our histories. Each is unique in the discrimination we encountered in the past, present and future but each has similarities and surely it should make us better understand one another not compete against one another or engage in pain comparisons like its some pissing contest. I think that was the person's point too. I am saying it too to you because you need to hear respect from me not someone who is telling you my pain is greater. Its all relative to what it has done to shape both our identities. All I would say to you is I hope you can turn the history of discrimination against your people into something positive and not let it get you caught up in not being able to turn to people like me as your ally, and vice versa. I hope that makes sense to you.

 

Edna I needed some time to properly respond to you. You stated to me:

“To make the assumption that I believe all whites are racist, and I don't, without any evidence is ignorant. You referenced a quote, wrongly attributed to me, that I used as illustration of a poster's racism.”

First I am now going to provide your words which I have interpreted as being racist and engaging in negative generalizations about both blacks and whites and I would add were rudely dismissive to the discrimination felt by others neither white or black as well.

That said I think there are clearly some responders to you that might be saying they don’t give a damn about blacks only whites, but I also think some of the responders you have misunderstood are not putting down the black experience in the US at all, simply your absolute negative generalizations about other discrimination rather than black discrimination.

I myself do not understand why if you are not black you call all black Americans “African American”. I myself don’t call any black person “African” simply because they are black. I ask them or anyone regardless of skin colour or ethnicity how they wish to be addressed.

I come from Canada. We don’t call black Canadians “African Canadians”. We call them when they ask, “black” Canadians but we rarely do unless we are talking about discrimination against black people because our black Canadians are not all from Africa or consider themselves African. Many are more comfortable being simply called “Canadian” just like I do not need someone calling me a Hebrew Canadian or Jewish Canadian thank you.

Also our black people come from the West Indies, Asia, the US not just Africa so unless they choose such a label I am not throwing it on anyone. To me the term “African” is a label black people or people from Africa must decide not me. I only use the term black to address discrimination specific to blacks and I don’t claim its worse or better than anti-semitism I simply say we too have a history of genocide, slavery, and this should make us intuitively understand on a basic level without being black what oppression means. I don’t speak for any other Jew but I am confident other Jews and other minorities like gays, women, Latinos, etc., would understand what I just said and especially blacks because that who has taught me to think that way and have shown me to reach out and join not withdraw and segregate.

Here let me refresh your selective memory:

Let’s go to your response no. 30 and I quote:

“White male entitlement to the dominate opinion is being questioned as legitimate only to white males; the "others" opinion must be taken into consideration. “

The above stereotypes all whites and no the next sentence you issued only limits your negative generalization in that sentence to whites that you think are right wingers and panic over loss of power.

In both references you engaged in negative generalizations of whites.

Before you stated the above negative generalizations you prefaced them with this remark:

“Your complaints (complaints regarding ther minorities) are the same African Americans have complained about for 150 years, but now women, minorities, LGBTQs, other religions want and demand a seat at the table.”

The above statement makes the conclusion that all other minorities never felt pain or had concern about that pain until blacks expressed the pain of blacks first. That is a negative slur against all minorities or anyone who has experienced pain other than blacks.

You made this comment in #33:

“White men have been in charge for the last 200 plus years except for one administration that the right vowed to obstruct.” You did not qualify the above statement with the word “some”.

You also went on to make this comment:

…most every white person I know hasn't.”

You show you base your opinions on your subjective assumptions about whites and think you understand every person you meet who is white. That in itself shows not just racist assumptions about whites but subjective, projected qualities on whites you think you know.

Your response #77 stated:

“That's a mighty short (cherry picked) list of grievances a representative of the white race has. Do all white people agree with you or do they think you got it wrong?”

The person you addressed never claimed to be a representative of the white race, that is your stereotype projected on him. He responded for himself as a human and you slapped the white race label on him-you no one else.

In response #80 you stated, “ The subject of my response only took umbrage at calling him right-wing. I should have been more specific and said white supremacist.”

You show in the above response you think its acceptable to stereotype all right wingers with one negative racist assumption and then try justify that bigotry by the claim it was only meant for white supremacists. Its still an odious negative generalization and you missed that point.

You also reflected this mix of narcissistic and racist conceptualization also stating in #80 went you went on to state: “You can list your grievances from your reference point…”

In so doing you dismissed the experiences of both myself and others as not existing because you did not experience them… ironically you claim to ask people to appreciate injustice against discrimination of blacks but you deny and dismiss the discrimination and pain of others…that shows you lecture people to follow a standard you don’t and dismiss anything outside your creation if it does not suit you..classic bigotry and narcissism. You also responded further stating my comment, "we are all slaves seeking freedom" is hyperbolic nonsense. You do not explain why you do not think every one of us other than you has not had our own personal issues with the ideal we call “freedom” but you used these words to reject it: “You obviously have no idea of the issues involved.” Which begs the question then, how can you possibly claim to understand the struggles of others and have any idea what they entail if you dismiss them as “hyperbolic nonsense”. You don’t even know what struggles of freedom may be out there being experienced by others but you do dismiss them all as nonsense.

You then show you allowed your closed mind to block out what I actually stated and impose this preconieved steretotype reducing the struggle of many peoples across the world as and I quote you”

“I am not a slave seeking freedom, over taxed or worried about taking care of my dependents.”

At no time did I reduce the struggle of freedom worldwide and throughout the many histories of many peoples as simply limited to slaves and taxes or worrying about dependents, you did. Not only that but you again engaged in narcissism reducing these elements of the freedom struggle as not existing because as you stated and I quote “ I AM NOT A…and MY”. Once again you pose that because you don’t feel pain, others do not. This is NOT about you or what you feel. The pain of others doesn’t disappear because it doesn’t suit your narrative. Why would you deny the existence of the struggle of others because you don’t experience it?

Then you make this statement in the same #80: “ I am also not black”… yet you could even finish your breath before you started talking on behalf of “African Americans” again by stating…it is not the same for African Americans and that's the problem.

What the hell was your point then. Should I assume that since Kawabata can be a Japanese name that you are Japanese but are an expert on African Americans? You pose claiming to talk for black people. I have not but have asked you where you get off doing that. Using your racist constructs how if you are not black do you speak for whites or Japanese or anyone else? Further am I to assume your minority status gives you the right to presume what blacks feel but my minority status does not? Why the double standard?

In #81 you stated:

“Blacks do not have social equality. They are less likely to be hired, given a loan, thought of as competent or trusted, more likely to be seen in a negative context because of there skin color. Now they and many white people are angry about an inequality that has gone on for too long. If you can not see it you can not understand it. Pity.”

You in the above comment talk and assume what ALL black people think. You don’t qualify that. You did for some reason feel the need to qualify your generalization of whites with the word “many” but still show you assume what all these people you refer to feel based on your feelings not their feelings-yours.

You also address a person who told you many people suffer from different kinds of social inequality and tell that person he can not understand other people for acknowledging their suffering but you can?

His only point was social inequality impacts on many people NOT that it does not impact on blacks negatively. That social inequality is what caused Martin Luther King to argue is a need for people sharing that inequality to unify. There was no competition and people rushing to a table imitating one another. People like Martin Luther King reached out past the black community and non-blacks embraced him. No I make no apologies for the coalitions people like King made and will make. That is because I come from a Reform background of Judaism that believes we must form inter-faith coalitions to help one another not remain isolated from one another’s social conflicts. That is why I reject your words. They are divisive and as divisive of some of the comments directed at you.

 

Racism is not a disease. It is a logical fallacy. ANYONE can commit the fallacy... Some people continually commit the fallacy. Those people are racists. Those people also tend to be liberal Democrats.

 

What I would like to do would be to make welfare benefits more generous on the condition that everyone accepting them, and their children, submit to sterilization. That would not be forced sterilization, because if they did not want to be sterilized they would not be, but they would no longer get any welfare money.

Until we are willing to do this I want to cut the welfare budget to the greatest extent possible, while increasing the harshness of the criminal justice to the greatest extent possible. I want the police to be given more discretionary power, better funding, and I want the money to come from making deep, satisfying cuts in welfare.

 

That's quite the declaration of confirmation bias, minimizing, taking things out of context, misinterpretation, ignorance of the facts and false assumptions.

 

Dodge and distract. Weak. My use of immune was clear and you chose to misinterpret it. What African Americans per you are not subject to racism?

 

Only the cruel would want a return of Eugenics.

 

RQAA (repetitious question already answered)

 

NYDN (no you didn't)

 

"What is a racist"

a racist is someone that discriminates against anouther race, racists come in many shapes, sizes and colors

 

white racists tend to be republicans
black racists tend to be democrats

the majority of both parties is not racist

 

A racist is one who thinks that in the aggregate, one race is superior to another or several.
We in the west have been carefully trained to be apoplectic whenever we see or hear about this even in the absence of violence or de jure racism.
The thoughts themselves have become ethically criminalized with no clear line between thought and violence.
I find minding my own thoughts to be cumbersome enough. To try to mind the thoughts of others sounds as pointless and exhausting as trying to herd cats.

 

Yes I did.

 

Uh no. I just think its foolish to kiss someone with cold sores.

 

I notice you claim a lot of people on both sides of the debate are misinterpreting what you say. Nah. Its just if some people trying to pass themselves off might want to first cover up their adam's apple.

 

Racists are people who suddenly drive fast when someone waves a black and white flag at them although I am told they can also be people who line up and run fast when someone shoots a gun at them.

I do notice in that sense many black people are good racists. The white racists that do well tend to be girlfriends of Putin.

I hope that helps clarify things. Between Edna and some others on this thread, I am note sure they know what a race is.

Its a complex issue. No one ever can say who is faster the Road Runner or Speedy Gonzalez, Flash or Superman.

 

Currently those with IQ's below 100 are having more children who survive and reproduce than people with IQ's above 100. While this is happening, computer technology and automation are eliminating jobs that those with IQ's below 100 can learn. If current trends continue a growing percentage of the population of the United States and the world will be congenitally incapable of earning a living.

 

And the lack of success will be attributed to racism and companies will be forced into quotas essentially transferring welfare to the private sector.
The financial burden on companies will likely bring many down.

 

DAR (deny and run)

No, it's mostly just you.

You like to rationalize your racism and elitism using the guise of "science". The IQ test is a rule of thumb value of where that person is at the time of test; it measures developed skills, not native intelligence, can change dramatically and doesn't say anything about a person's intellectual limits or potential. To use it to judge a race or class of people as beneath your station and thus deserving of fewer rights is contemptible.

 

The Dana Foundation,
Pretending that Intelligence Doesn’t Matter
Published: July 1, 2000
Author: Linda S. Gottfredson, Ph.D.

A 1988 survey of IQ experts, journalists, and science editors2 revealed that the journalists and editors hold views in nearly diametric opposition to those of the IQ experts. The survey’s analysis of the major newspapers and magazines revealed, not surprisingly, that their coverage of intelligence is “quite inaccurate.” News stories, for instance, usually leave the false impression that mental tests are culturally biased and that only fringe scientists think that genes have an important influence on intelligence...

Dismayed by the media disinformation attending The Bell Curve controversy, 52 prominent researchers from 34 universities and research centers published a Wall Street Journal editorial page statement in 1994 called “Mainstream Science on Intelligence.” These scientists, the antithesis of ideologues, have published thousands of scientific articles and hundreds of books defining the frontiers of intelligence research. They include many recipients of coveted awards and many past presidents of major scientific associations. Appearing several months into the firestorm over The Bell Curve, the joint statement simply recited the most settled facts in the field, facts that had been depicted over and over again in news and commentary as “controversial” or “discredited.” A second consensus statement appeared two years later in the form of an official task force report from the most pertinent scientific organization, the American Psychological Association. “Intelligence: Knowns and Unknowns” offered essentially the same portrait of mainstream scientific opinion on the nature, origins, and predictive value of intelligence. Both statements suggested that The Bell Curve’s portrayal of intelligence was basically accurate.4

References

4. The “Mainstream Science on Intelligence” statement was first published in the Wall Street Journal, December 13, 1994, p. A18, and then, as planned, as an editorial in the journal Intelligence in its January-February 1997 issue. The APA task force report, “Intelligence: Knowns and Unknowns,” was published in the American Psychologist in its February 1996 issue.

https://dana.org/article/pretending-that-intelligence-doesnt-matter/