What is a racist?

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  1. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    "What the critics of intelligence research purport to fear is that the conclusions of intelligence research will undermine democratic values: specifically, that they will lead to denigrating certain groups of people and even denying them their rights." And will lead some even further, to think Eugenics is a viable option.
     
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    The reason they fear the conclusions of Intelligence research is because they privately know that the assertions of hereditarianism and race realism are true.

    In his essay "The Inequality Taboo" Charles Murray responded appropriately to that dishonesty:

    "specific policies based on premises that conflict with scientific truths about human beings tend not to work. Often they do harm."

    http://www.iapsych.com/wj3ewok/LinkedDocuments/Murray2005.pdf
     
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    intelligence is entirely subjective. it comes down to what any given individual may deem intelligent which vastly differs from one person to the next. you may consider a body builder as not intelligent but another may see a body builder as intelligent as he knows how to gain muscle mass efficiently
     
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    There are so many factors to take into account when measuring intelligence, so much more than some (most likely imaginary) racial divide. There are, for instance, very intelligent children who would seem autistic to you, and will fail IQ tests spectacularly, because they have some disability - dyslexia, dyscalculia, AD(H)D - that prevents them from fully exploiting their potential, unless taught by specialists using certain methods.

    Let's suppose that certain groups of people are indeed genetically incapable of reaching more than a low level of intelligence. I ask you again: so what?

    Do you think that our ape-like ancestors were as intelligent as Nobel prizes winners today? Do you think humans who lived in caves were as intelligent as geneticists searching for the intelligence gene? How do you think your distant, prehistoric ancestors would have fared on IQ tests?

    Looking at the world as a stagnant mass of never-changing items is the biggest mistake racists do. We, humans, should know better, being ourselves the product of incessant change and progress from ape-like creatures to moon-reaching astronauts. People change. Offspring of people with the lowest possible IQ might become the best and brightest in the course of several generations. It's called evolution.

    Meanwhile we, the human society, have the moral duty to afford everyone the possibility to fully develop personal abilities and capabilities, live as good a life as possible in the given circumstances, and pass half of individual genes to the next generation. Variety (biologically speaking) is key for evolution.

    Look at dogs. The more prestigious the pedigree, the purer the breed, the more severe the hereditary defects.
     
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    maybe but pedigrees are much more attractive. depends what you want in a dog. for humans, attractiveness is a big thing.
     
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    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Someone who criticises a black person - that's why I'm a racist :cheerleader:
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    No, they fear that people like you will take the data and use it to further divide the races, make policy that discriminates (like hiring), encourage race to be viewed as a hierarchy and not view the individual as a person but a representative of her race (no matter where she actually is on the "bell curve"). None of which is helpful, but harmful, only those that have a need to buttress their ego would think it a good thing.
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    No, your comment makes you racist.
     
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    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    thank you for the validation.....:lol: I'm soooooooo racist, yeah yeah yeah, racist yeah yeah yeah....

    Love my racistness.... whoo hoo
     
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    How can anyone be prevented from living where they want to live? Living where you want is determined ONLY by money. No one cares what shape or colour you are, as long as you pay.

    Public schools are open to all. Private schools only want your money, so again .. as long as you pay you're in.
     
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    BINGO!

    And that's where the buck stops.
     
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    1) People are hired on MERIT, not the particular hue of their skin. If that wasn't true, dark skinned Indians wouldn't be CEOs of your tech giants.

    2) Loans are offered according to your ability to repay them. No bank gives a flying **** what colour YOU are, they're interested only on the colour of your money.

    3) How on earth could you possibly know that someone is thinking "I can't trust you because you're black"? Far more likely they're basing a refusal on something that has absolutely nothing to do with your race. Could be behaviour, manner of dress, attitude, personal history, unsavoury friends, etc etc etc. All things which apply to everyone regardless of race. White trash rednecks scare the hell out of me, so if I was running a business I'd be inclined to avoid taking them on as clients/customers - and it would have nothing whatsoever to do with their race.
     
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    Please report the institutional racism happening today. Which institutions? And how are they getting around the laws?
     
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    I am unaware of what planet you live on but if its Earth you do not live in the US of A.
     
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    There are many articles on the subject. Do a little research if you're interested.
     
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    50 years or so ago it was said the south practiced overt racism while the north practiced covert racism. I also agree that we all are a bit racist sometimes.
     
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    I'm very happy to be provided with the evidence that 'discrimination' in America is predicated upon the shade of your skin. So please, give me the details!
     
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    It's mostly covert today.
     
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    Just give me one example of an institution practising illegal discrimination.
     
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    90% of people accused of racism are distinctly NOT racist

    The word racist have been so wrongly applied that people simply don't care anymore when labelled racist... the word have lost its true meaning.

    Example; I'm someone who speak on African issues, I will criticise the African National Congress for stealing trillions and be accused of racism.... the fact they are indeed stealing trillions clearly lost on those busy sticking labels on.

    Also when speaking against thousands of children and millions of women being raped I was again accused of racism... because the perps were black. What is outrageous is that these people considered my "non" racism (in their eyes racism) a greater violation than the child rapes and women rapes.

    I now consider my so called racism as moral high ground, it is vitally important for me to keep being "racist" and so I embrace this title.

    You are a better person being racist. (blame those using the label loosely if you don't like this statement)
     
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    The more accurate the criticism is of blacks, the more serious is the offense of racism, and the more severe is the punishment. When one is accused of racism truth is no defense. It is evidence for the prosecution.
     
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    White racism persists because high black rates of crime and illegitimacy and low IQ averages persist. Indeed, black rates of crime have risen since the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Black illegitimacy has increased since the War on Poverty was declared the same year. Black academic performance has improved little if at all despite expensive efforts like Head Start and No Child Left Behind,

    For pointing out these facts I am guilty of the dread offense of racism.
     
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    Those of us who oppose affirmative action do not want people to be admitted to college, hired, and promoted on the basis of race; we want these things to happen on the basis of merit. That is why we welcome scientific inquiries into the genetic basis of intelligence.
     
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    The human intelligence has evolved because during the six million or so years since the Rift Valley in Eastern Africa separated the common ancestor of chimpanzees and humans, the most intelligent proto humans were most likely to survive and reproduce. Agriculture and civilization promoted the evolution of more intelligence. Intelligent farmers were better able to plan for the next growing season. They understood the principles of breeding more useful domestic plants and animals. Civilization put even more evolutionary pressure on superior intelligence. Intelligent men became merchants, money lenders, government officials, and so on. They had more children who lived to adulthood than unintelligent men.

    In recent decades this has been reversed. Unmarried welfare mothers have many illegitimate children by fly by night lovers who would rather be "a sex machine with all the chicks" than a responsible husband and father. Many brilliant women devote their lives to their careers and have no children at all.

    Evolution does not just happen. It requires superior organisms to have offspring, while inferior organisms of their species do not.
     
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    Intelligence is no more subjective than athletic ability. Intelligence consists of the ability to learn complex intellectual skills quickly and well. This ability is accurately tested by IQ tests and other tests of mental aptitude.
     

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