What Is Eid al-Fitr and Why Isn’t Trump Hosting a Traditional Iftar Dinner to Celebrate?

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  1. Jason Bourne

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    You don't know, do you. Make spurious claims against Islam which you can't support. Typical of a Trump supporter.

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    If you say so! :roll:
     
  3. Jason Bourne

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    Yes, I say so.

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    Nothing is ambiguous - the issues is the depraved human condition who clings to the ancient writings as an excuse to put their evil into action.
     
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    These radical Muslims are radical exactly the way you are. You are both sides of the same coin.

    You have the same disease: Rabies.
     
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    More or less the same thing that's ambiguous about scripts written on alimentory poisonings, whose prose is made to make you believe in things you wouldn't believe in if you stayed rational.
     
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    That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

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    I'm all in favor of a B-B-Q on the South Lawn as a compromise....
     
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    Even though it's been there the last 3 Administrations.
     
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    Religion isn't the realm of rationality. Sorry if I wasn't clear.

    Or maybe you think otherwise.
     
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    Dude the fact that you even have ask that question gives away your ignorance.
     
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    Radical Islam is the strick interpretation of the Koran.
    Nice try, cuck.:rolleyes:
     
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    Congratulations! You've been defeated by Al Qaeda! You've surrendered your beliefs exactly as they wanted you to.
     
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    I wonder how many people who think it was a good idea to scrap the Eid dinner now had those same feelings when Bush II kept it going year after year, even after 9/11.
     
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    Well now its not.
     
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    I guess because brown people are suddenly scary now...
     
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    You make it seem as though all presidents before him celebrated the end of Ramadan. Only 3 starting with Clinton... and BTW no one cares---he shunned the Seder too...does that make him antisemitic? I thought Libs didn't like religion...
     
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  18. Space_Time

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    Here's more:

    http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/27/politics/trump-iftar-white-house/index.html

    What the White House's decision to forgo Ramadan event means for religion and politics under Trump
    By Liz Stark, CNN
    Updated 1359 GMT (2159 HKT) June 27, 2017
    This marks the first time in two decades that the White House did not host an iftar dinner to commemorate Ramadan
    Trump released a statement Saturday extending "warm greetings" to those celebrating the end of the month-long period of fasting
    Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump decided against celebrating Eid al-Fitr, the Muslim holiday marking the end of Ramadan, at the White House this year, the first time in two decades that the White House did not commemorate the Islamic holy month of fasting with an iftar dinner.

    Secretary of State Rex Tillerson also broke with tradition and declined a request from the State Department's Office of Religion and Global Affairs to host a reception for the holiday.
    So where does this leave the intersection of religion and politics under the Trump administration? Is it perhaps a new step in the direction of separation of church and state, or does it signify something more concerning: a departure in the White House tradition of accepting all faiths?
    Deputy White House press secretary Lindsay Walters said neither is the case, pointing to actions that she said show equal respect for all faiths.
    "The White House hosted a Passover dinner and put out a Ramadan statement in support of it," Walters said. "The President has been a strong advocate and supporter of religious liberty for all religions and all Americans."
    But religious scholars question the precedent the decision could set and wonder how it will be received by the Muslim community.

    Protesters march in New York's Times Square in solidarity with American Muslims and against the travel ban ordered by US President Donald Trump on February 19, 2017. / TIMOTHY A. CLARY/AFP/Getty Images

    "I think it's hard to read much from any one of President Trump's decisions, including this one," said John Inazu, a professor of law and religion at Washington University in St. Louis, Missouri. "The more troubling observation is how the decision fits within the President's broader messaging: a privileging of a vaguely defined but Christian-flavored civil religion, and a tone-deafness to the concerns of other faiths, especially Islam," he continued.
    John Esposito, a Georgetown University professor of religion and international affairs and of Islamic studies, said the Trump administration is within its right not to host an iftar, an evening meal held at sunset to break the daily fasting during Ramadan. But he questions whether the move sets a precedent for future religious celebrations at the White House.
    "They have a right to do this but should have indicated why," Esposito told CNN. "If this is part of an overall policy with regards to all religions, they should say so. But if that were the case, then what will they do about Christmas?"

    RELATED: Eid al-Fitr: What you need to know

    Thomas Jefferson is recognized as hosting an iftar at the White House in 1805, according to The Washington Post. President Bill Clinton then started the modern-day tradition of hosting a White House iftar in 1996, and Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama followed suit.
    In April, Trump hosted the 139th annual Easter Egg roll on the South Lawn. Several members of the Trump administration also hosted a Passover seder, but the President himself did not attend the dinner to commemorate the annual Jewish holiday. Son-in-law Jared Kushner and first daughter Ivanka, who are orthodox Jews, also skipped the seder, which was held in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building, instead celebrating the holiday in Canada.
    "To now cancel the iftar with no explanation is to reinforce in the minds of many, not just Muslims, a concern that these proceed from bias and an anti-Islam or Muslim position," Esposito said.

    Ibrahim Hooper, communications director for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, echoed Esposito, telling CNN that it is "no surprise" that Trump decided not to host an iftar dinner.
    "The surprise would have been if he had held an iftar," Hooper said, later adding that this decision send a "negative message" to Muslim Americans that "they are not a community that counts in the Trump administration."
    When asked about Tillerson's decision not to host an Eid al-Fitr reception, a State Department spokesperson referred CNN to the secretary's statement marking the end of Ramadan and reaffirmed the department's commitment to engaging with secular and religious leaders, organizations and institutions from all backgrounds both domestically and overseas.
    The spokesperson added that "the secretary has not held events marking any religious holidays thus far."
    When asked during an off-camera, audio-only press briefing Monday about why the President decided not to host an iftar, press secretary Sean Spicer simply replied, "I don't know."

    Trump and first lady Melania instead released a statement Saturday extending "warm greetings" to those celebrating the end of Ramadan.
    "Muslims in the United States joined those around the world during the holy month of Ramadan to focus on acts of faith and charity," they said. "Now, as they commemorate Eid with family and friends, they carry on the tradition of helping neighbors and breaking bread with people from all walks of life."

    US President Donald Trump speaks during the Arab Islamic American Summit at the King Abdulaziz Conference Center in Riyadh on May 21, 2017. MANDEL NGAN/AFP/Getty Images

    Trump's decision not to hold the dinner comes as his relationship with the Muslim community has grown increasingly strained. The Supreme Court ruled Monday that Trump's travel ban can be upheld in part against foreign nationals who lack any "bona fide relationship with any person or entity in the United States." The ban applies to citizens of six majority-Muslim countries -- Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen -- and blocks them from entering the United States for 90 days.
    During his presidential campaign, Trump initially called for a "total and complete shutdown of Muslims" entering the country. But in June 2016, Trump told ABC News he was open to the idea of hosting a Ramadan dinner at the White House if elected. "It wouldn't bother me. It wouldn't bother me," said Trump from the campaign trail. "It's not something I've given a lot of thought to, but it wouldn't bother me."
    Immediately following Trump's election in November, there was a surge in hate crimes, most sharply against Muslim Americans. However, during his visit to Saudi Arabia, Trump delivered a speech calling Islam "one of the world's greatest faiths" and urging unity in the fight against terrorism.
     
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    Trump doesn't lie about Muslims. Lefties upset

    President Trump skipped hosting an end-of-Ramadan dinner. The Left is alarmed.

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    Trump is 1st POTUS in decades not marking end of Ramadan with Iftar dinner celebrating end of the fast. 1st POTUS to host Iftar?

    From Huffington Post:
    Trump’s decision to skip hosting the dinner comes after he released a controversial statement meant to mark the beginning of Ramadan. Many members of the Muslim community condemned the message, which largely focused on terrorism.“This year, the holiday begins as the world mourns the innocent victims of barbaric terrorist attacks in the United Kingdom and Egypt, acts of depravity that are directly contrary to the spirit of Ramadan,” read a White House statement issued in May. “Such acts only steel our resolve to defeat the terrorists and their perverted ideology.”Trump’s remarks starkly contrast with those by then-President Barack Obama during Ramadan last year. In June 2016, Obama and then-first lady Michelle announced plans to host an Eid celebration in the White House and praised American Muslims for their contributions to the U.S.“Muslim Americans have been part of our American family since its founding,” the Obamas wrote in a statement roughly five times longer than Trump’s Ramadan message. “We look forward to welcoming Americans from around the country to celebrate the holiday.”Obama lied.

    Flat out lied.

    No Muslim had anything to do with the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution.

    The first mosque in the USA was built in Ross, North Dakota, in 1929.

    This is a Christian nation, founded by Christians. This is the largest Christian nation in the world. We tolerate other religions, as well as agnostics, atheists, and Al Gore.

    As far as a tradition dating to Jefferson, he held one such dinner in 1805, then I believe Clinton was the next in 1996. (Note: May not be true.)

    Jefferson got us in our first overseas war.

    The Barbary Wars.

    With Muslims.

    http://donsurber.blogspot.com/2017/06/trump-doesnt-lie-about-muslims-lefties.html#more
     
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