What is the purpose of unsolicited ballots being distributed?

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  1. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    I'm still unsure of how a ballot could be used to cast a fraudulent vote. Don't they have to have the name of a registered voter on them?
     
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    As well as the voter's signature and a witness and the return address. Any fraud is very hard, massive fraud is impossible.
     
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    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    In your names only?.
     
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    If there is no evidence then the frauds are expert at hiding their deeds.
     
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    In one anecdotal case caught on video he gave the voter $200 in walking around money.
     
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    So people who didn't request a ballot can vote. You might have heard of the underlying philosophy. It's called "democracy". Not sure what the mystery is.

    Ask them.

    Registered Democrats tend to vote Democrat, and registered Republicans vote Republican. Which is obvious. Other differences are irrelevant to this election.

    Most get out the vote organizations have no party affiliation.

    I don't think you understand what a conspiracy theory is.
     
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    In theory. However, if a ballot is mailed to a registered voter that has moved to another state, that ballot can be returned by someone else and the registration will still match, for example. However, a major concern re the people who cite by meme the theory of checking registration, checking signatures, looking for dual registrations, etc. have never been a project manager responsible for implementing a new process. Murphy's Law is the golden rule of project management: if anything can go wrong, it will.

    An interesting and insightful point is the Obama administration putting a halt to a bunch of states that had initiated a dual registration checking process. The feds could do that, IIRC, because, even though voting is a state run process, this was an interstate activity. The interesting question is why did Obama not want the checking and purging of registration to be done. Also some judges have halted some states' pruning of registration roles. It is considerably more difficult and error prone than the mail-in theorists say. As an aside, some judges of late have ruled on parts of the process on mail-in balloting in a couple of states even though by law they have no jurisdiction.
     
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    Yes.
     
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    So not a problem then as voters names and reference numbers are cross checked when counted and crossed off the list - otherwise there would be no problem photocopying ballot forms by anyone
     
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    It still indicates a problem with the system. Do they keep records at all?
     
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    Or all the ones returned by the USPS gives the GOP more people to purge. Every cloud has a silver lining.
     
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    That is my understanding. AFAIK just a few states allow harvesting; I only know of California for certain.
     
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    Let's assume that dubious assertion is true. What has this admin done to reduce the "potential for fraud?" Or for that matter, what has it done to prevent election meddling from Russia? Perhaps the most blatant dereliction of duty of his tenure.

    Or.................is it the case Trump prefers to make accusations......and predictions.........about fraud to give him a pretense for challenging a result the polls indicate will not be favorable for him while doing nothing about it?
     
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    In states that have both in person and mail-in, doesn't it make sense to send ballots to every registered voter? If the voter wants to vote in person, are they not still free to do so? And if they don't want to risk crowds at the polls, they can use the mail-in ballot.

    And if it isn't the state's place to send out ballots, whose place is it?
     
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    In 2016 there were just 2 or 3 states that had universal mail-in balloting, and they had, IIRC, been doing it for many years and likely had got most of the bugs out of the system. Nobody knows the extent of errors or fraud that actually exists though little has been proven. It is the 2020 election where the number of states planning universal mail-in balloting ballooned mainly because of the COVID. The Democrats said "OH, goody" and pushed hard for it under the cover of the pandemic, salivating over the prospects of ballot box stuffing, with legal or (unsaid) illegal votes.
     
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    Are you being forced to use that ballot? Or do you have the option to vote in person?
     
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    Semantics. Request, consequence of being registered ... so the heck what? Don't want to go to the polls? Use the mail-in ballot. Want to vote in person? What's stopping you if your state allows both?

    I just don't get the outrage from the right on this issue. I've never seen so much pearl-clutching in my life.
     
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    There is physically only one thing the administration can do to alleviate the potential fraud inherent in mail-in balloting and that is to try to stop it. However, Trump is highly limited in his authority to do that as state legislatures have almost plenary power over elections, not withstanding some judges sticking their unauthorized nose and two bits worth into them.

    Trump has done far more than Obama in fighting Russian meddling.
     
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    Once again I'm compelled to ask why you post demonstrable falsehoods?
     
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    Mail-in voting inherently has a greater potential for both fraud and error and so should be done only with extreme care and caution. This is magnitudes so with universal (unrequested) mail-in balloting. What's to keep a guy from both mail-in voting and voting in person? What's to keep an election board from mailing out ballots to voters who have moved or died?

    State legislatures have near plenary authority over elections and voting, some nosy unauthorized judges not withstanding. For instance, despite Trump's negative view of mail-in balloting, there is little he can do about it. Counties, or some cities and Districts, usually handle the actual elections.
     
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    I don't care what you claim is demonstrable falsehoods. I have zero inclination to prove the obvious.
     
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    You have no ability to prove what you claim is obvious.
     
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    To your first question: the fact that you've voted goes immediately into a database whether you vote in person or by mail, so if you try double-dipping, you'll get caught.

    To your next question: nothing. If you move, it's on you to re-register to vote at your new address. The new resident at your old address can't use it unless they can forge your signature. If a ballot goes to a deceased person, it isn't usable by anyone else, unless they think they can forge the dead voter's signature.
     
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    I suppose I can take my unsolicited ballot to the poll.
     

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