What is the Status of Hate in the US?

To some degree that parallels the growth of the internet. Number of hate groups isn't really a good indicator of amount of hate.

 

And, doing what you suggest, doing this takes you to a propaganda piece at "The Nation", a well-known 'progressive', hyperliberal opinion organ contoured with lib "useful idiots", for decades.... Why am I not shocked...(SHOCKED!)...? . Do you far-Left drones think that nobody is ever going to point these things out?!

Now, got anything to back up your accusations? I mean, do you have anything of SUBSTANCE to back up your accusations? I thought not....

 

OK.... Uh, where's the lie in that statement...? In March 2011 who was president? Barack Hussein Obama? Right. I can see how a radical Democrat wouldn't be able to countenance anything that criticized their "Messiah"....

But, since we're talking about LIES. What's your reaction to the bald-faced LIE that ex-prez "Messiah" told us all in 2008 when he said that he would get the United States out (OUT) of both Iraq and Afghanistan -- and very rapidly, too! Correct me if I'm wrong, but at sunrise on the last day that we had to endure this THING as President of the United States, we were still very much in BOTH of these giant piles of Islamo-crap! Please tell me I'm wrong....

 

No lies in the FOX Obama statements? You're a hopeless FOX junkie, if you really believe that.

As far as troops in Iraq and Afghanistan:
Afghanistan - peak number 99,800. 4th Quarter 2016 - 16,055.
Iraq - peak number 165,607. 4th Quarter 2016 - 9,800.

I'd call those some substantial reductions. Pretty darned good, when compared to the Bush/Cheaney war-mongering years, and their PNAC philosophy. Obama had one major problem - he inherited the Bush/Cheney mess. And yet, you never heard him complain - not like the Chump.

 

If we want to make some external suppositions, we can also say that it parallels the birth and rise of FOX News.

 

And as predictable as can be, you tried to evade the challenge to prove that Fox lies. Nothing. But now I've called you out on it, TWICE. Hey, just because so many of you on the Left are, uh, 'challenged' doesn't mean that all of us are....

And, also as predictable as can be, you are quick to forgive ex-prez "Messiah" for telling bald-faced LIES about getting us totally OUT of Iraq and Afghanistan -- while blaming Obama's own failures on BUSH?! You hyperlibs pulled this crap over and over and over, all during the eight years that Obama stunk up the White House! According to you, every single thing that Obama lied about, or just totally f*cked up, was all Bush's fault! I can't believe how devastating the dumbing-down of America for the past forty years has really been!

Now, just for amusement... how do rabid Democrats manage to blame all of Obama's lies about 'Obamacare' on Bush? Go ahead -- use the same kind of twisted, mangled logic! This may end up being the funniest line of crap we've seen so far in 2017....

."...and, and, if you don't believe it's all Bush's fault -- then you're a RACIST!"

 

One person's hate is another person's love. Who determines what 'hate' is, in this instance?

 

Incidentally, check 1999. As is often pointed out here, things at the end of the 20thC were considerably more harmonious and peaceful than they are today. But let's not blame identity politics ... goodness me no.

 

Historically (as in during the later 20thC), that would have been the Left. We used to be the peaceniks, who didn't judge.

 

But Barry didn't start it. Remember that.

 

Why didn't he just let go of the damned thing?

 

I see you're from CO. So am I. A sensible renewable energy state!

Health care. What a great subject. The original ACA, was supposed to be Single Payer, of which I am in full support, at the National level. But then the insurance lobby flexed it's muscles, and both parties caved in. Obamacare was no worse than it's predecessor- Subsidized Emergency Room Care for the Uninsured, which skyrocketed health care premiums for 30+ years.

And I noticed that you didn't respond to this FOX bold-faced lie.

Kimberly Guilfoyle on Fox News on Wednesday: “Literally it’s so disconcerting to me, Greg, that we have a president that is really, not only not rising up to the Winston Churchill moment, but he’s really almost helping the other side because he’s not doing anything to help our team.” Could it be that he’s Satan?! Nah, just a secret Muslim who wants ISIS to execute a global takeover, wink wink.

And there are thousands just like this (Birther, Hitler references, Castro alliance references, etc. etc.). As a matter-of-fact, FOX's very existence is a lie, with their "FAir and Balanced" slogan. They founded, advertised and provided key-note speakers for the radical Tea Party rallies. Now that's what I call unprecedented bias. And certainly contradicts their LIE of Fair and Balanced.

 

the word hate is for infants. it has zero meaning, but pouts well.

 

Took the words right out of my mouth.

 

From FAUX News. Is that the best you can do? Do you ever wonder why these advocacy organizations focus incessantly on gays, etc; when gays are only 2% of the population, and the divorce rate is over 50%. I think their efforts are misguided and political.

 

I went a step further, to analyze your post, by checking the SPLC website. These organizations are on their list. According to the site, this is why they are on the list.

Anti-LGBT
Opposition to equal rights for LGBT people has been a central theme of Christian Right organizing and fundraising for the past four decades. These groups are not listed on the basis of opposition to same-sex marriage or the belief that the Bible describes homosexual activity as sinful. Anti-LGBT groups engage in crude name-calling and disseminate disparaging propaganda and falsehoods about this population, such as the claim that gay men molest children at vastly higher rates than straight men.

I agree with the statement of the SPLC. I know nothing about these groups, so I cannot comment any further.

 

You're a Coloradoan, like me? You must be in Boulder, Aspen, Telluride, or some other delusional, hyperlib hangout....

Once again (AGAIN) you refused to offer any PROOF that "Fox (News) lies". Why? Because you can't.... Guilfoyle didn't lie about anything. She's a co-host on Fox, not a "news reporter", and she issues news analysis and opinion pieces -- much as many commentators on the Left do also. The tactic of evasion is obviously not your strong suit. Neither is your use of the apostrophe....

Your irrelevant musings about Obamacare, and what might have been, and who you think caused what, etc., creates speculative, coffee-hour conversation for liberals, I suppose, but as such it holds no validity or interest at all. Obamacare was a fraud and a LIE from the very beginning. If you don't believe me, go back and read the statements by Obamacare's chief architect, Jonathan Gruber!

 

Actually, I'm in Colorado Springs - the Conservative capital of Colorado. They say for a Republican POTUS nominee to win Colorado, they have to carry 70% of El Paso County. I work on preventing that from happening. We've been successful the last 3 POTUS elections, as El Paso County went less than 60% Republican. You better get used to it in Colorado

FOX lies. Kind of a cop-out to say that, because she is a co-anchor, her lies don't count. Whatever...
Birther lies perpetuated over and over. Hitler references. Castro affiliations. I mentioned plenty. Maybe you missed them?

Again, I don't think any health care option works. As long as doctors practice the hippocratic oath, people who can't afford treatments are going to get treated. That's fine by me. My neighbor is my brother, and I don't want to see them needlessly suffer or die. It's not very Christian to turn our backs on these people. Single-Payer is the best option, in that it eliminates the middle-man. Properly financed with existing paid premiums, this financial base would be more than enough to not only pay for the Single-Payer, but also balance the budget of Medicaire and Medicaid. I wrote my Congressman, along with Gardner and Bennett, asking for support of the Single-Payer option.

 

There are hate groups on both sides and it really is more about perception. It is still worth noting that FBI statistics indicate more terrorism in the US by Jews than Muslims, for instance, but the latter occupies the field in public perception and the former doesn't even register on most people's radar. Where I disagree with you is your statement about "most people". I think people have a higher degree of tolerance for violence if it is on the side they support or against the side they oppose regardless of which side that is. It is why so many on the left and in the MSM do not see the violence perpetrated by the left in Charlottesville but obsess about the violence on the right. You throw a bottle of piss on someone, you deserve a beat down and I don't care which side you are on, but yet reportedly that is what the antifa people were doing.

 

Trump ran on hate, he got around 60 million people to support his hate. I would say hate is on the rise, yes. The thing about hate is that when you hate, the object of your hatred usually ends up hating you back.

 

I will agree, however, I think the Hate Groups on the Right are larger, more weaponized, and more widespread; which makes them much more of a danger to society. Obviously, retaliation is always a factor. All this said, my personal experience is that the hate on the Right is much more extreme. When I was building my house, I overheard 2 contractors talking, and hoping that somebody would assassinate Obama. I NEVER hear the Left talking like that. As much as they abhor Trump, I've only ever heard the word "Impeachment", not "Assassination".

 

You don't think blacks threaten to kill cops, etc? Sure the right is more weaponized because the right has a fetish for the paramilitary.

 

The links to the SPLC site were there, you could have seen for yourself, read the SPLC listing of organizations as "hate groups" simply because the organization did not support the gay agenda.

 

At least you did something on your own. But not quite enough.

The SPLC took a lot of heat over including those organizations in the "hate groups list", it was obvious they were included because they did not fully support the gay agenda. SPLC added that little disclaimer after the fact, but nobody is fooled.

So "crude name calling" gets you on the SPLC hate list? Why isn't the list 5,000 pages long? Because only SPLC only considers certain conservative political groups eligible for the list.

 

Now, I hope to take you by surprise -- I'm actually in FAVOR of the single-payer system -- IF it is set up correctly. But, that is the subject for another thread topic. Suffice to say, the key word in single-payer is PAYER. It should not (NOT) be another damned welfare system. We already have Medicaid to perform that function. Each person should pay his/her own damned premiums to enjoy the coverage and the huge discounts of a single-payer system. But it must not (NOT) be contaminated with any kind of welfare, including "subsidies"....

Fox doesn't lie, and you haven't proven that it does -- at all.... Do all of your Left-wing, fake-news talking-heads lie? Maybe not! There is actually a difference between lies and opinion. Clearly, Obama and his cohort LIED through their dripping teeth about Obamacare. Guilfoyle? I still don't see that she lied... she expressed her opinion, and you and all the rest of the hyperliberal Left are welcome to disagree. It's OPINION, after all....