What is wrong with "slut shaming"?

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  1. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    I personally hate the word "slut" with a passion but I'm using it here given everyone will know what I'm talking about.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slut

    A recurring theme for people on the right who criticize women's sexual behaviors is that they are "slut shaming". Now according to everything I've read a "slut" or "slutty behavior" involves sexual promiscuity. Though it is almost always used to refer to women it can (and has) been used regarding men as well.

    My point is this:

    Shouldn't sexual promiscuity be something we should treat as "shameful"? What possible redeeming and positive attribute does it have? No matter your views on abortion, or premarital or extramarital sexual morality shouldn't sexual promiscuity be something that everyone on every side of the belief spectrum rightfully condemns?

    What could possibly be wrong about shaming people who engage in such behavior?
     
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    Judging people for their sexual behavior is unethical. Many people commit sins of commission of omission in private. I do not use Electricity or Internet on Sabbath, but I do not keep many Positive Commandments.

    But some (a minority!) of women do engage in manshaming -- accusing a man of being an incel just for disagreeing with them.

    In this case they have acted unethically, and thus have no claim on being treated ethically. I usually call them Victims of Patriarchal Exploitation -- the aforementioned word seems vulgar.
     
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  3. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    Why?
     
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    It is unethical unless they were unethical first.

    Most of us have many sins. As such it is unwise to judge others.
     
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    Meh. I think shaming in general has gone overboard, both by those who oppose it and those who engage in it (and ime they are often the same folks).

    Emotionally healthy adults are not shamed by others. They are shamed only by their own selves in reflection of their own actions and motives. Those that engage in shaming are attempting to take advantage of the power they have over the emotionally vulnerable, and as such, I view as maliciously manipulative predators whose opinions are not valuable.

    I view those easily shamed as weak of character and conviction, and in need of emotionally independent developement.

    In short, I have low opinion of both those who shame and those who are shamed, or at least alter their behavior as a result of others attempts to shame them.

    I respect more those whose behavior I disagree with than I do those who only behave to satisfy others.
     
  6. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    You don't have to be perfect to judge others.
     
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    If it's done wrong - and I'm pretty sure that's mostly the case - the slut will tend to focus on the self-righteousness of the shamer, thus feeling even more justified in her own mind.
     
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    @Dayton3 People which criticize "slut shaming" point off the double standart between men and women. That could be a fair point. There is a ways to argue on that, but I'm not motivated to.

    The second point on which they criticize is from hedonists. Dominant liberal ideology is basically "have the maximum pleasure, do drugs, have sex and don't think to consequences, if anything bad happen it's because of the bad capitalist/patriarchal/conservative society".
    Pleasure became dominant morale value of life, excepted maybe for eating meat.
    Some would call that progress, other decadence.
     
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    What is wrong with "slut shaming"? Nothing, I do it whenever my ex wife comes up in conversations.
     
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    Part of the problem is that lack of clear definition. Women (and to an extent men, though generally in different ways) are often attacked using the way they behave (or are presented as behaving, accurately or not), especially in relation to sex and relationships. The problem is that they're often attacked regardless of what they do (beyond getting married and shutting up). Note that they're not being attacked because of this. The reason the specific victims are targeted will vary, the "slut shaming" is merely a convenient tool or weapon.

    I think that very much depends on the specifics. "Promiscuity" can cover a vast range of things depending on your personal perception or opinion.

    Maybe the "shaming" aspect, regardless of the reason? Is blindly shaming, condemning and attacking an individual because what (you think) they do is bad (in your opinion) the most constructive approach to addressing the problem? Maybe we need some "Shame shaming"? :cool:
     
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    Promiscuity is fine as long as the people engaging in it aren't married. Shaming them is not fine. Bad manners foster bad behavior.
     
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    Can one slut shame a man?
     
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    "Slut shaming"" is used by weak ineffectual men (misogynists) to attempt to have control over women in the only way they can.
     
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    And it was at that precise moment I lost interest in anything else you might've said.

    How is this a partisan issue?
     
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    Most importantly, what is mischaracterized as "slut shaming" interferes with the consumerist/celebrity/hedonism culture that drives the profits and power of the gov-edu-union-contractor-grantee-trial lawyer-MSM Complex. This sick culture is focused on keeping middle and lower class people dependent on government services, poor, ignorant, resentful, emotion driven as opposed to reason driven, in debt, addicted, reproducing unwisely or alternatively on the abortion/misery machine, depressed, physically ill with obesity, STDs, other affluence diseases, so they BUY MORE junk with redistributed and earned dollars. Any moral appeals that counter this sick culture are instantly attacked as "evangelical," "patriarchal," "puritanical," "misogynistic."

    Women control a vastly disproportionate share of consumer purchases, both directly and indirectly through male consumption in attracting and pursuing women. Women are more emotional, so the marketing focus is on them, telling them that they will be happy if they only have more promiscuous sex, and that sex is the surest path right into the Complex-enriching and empowering misery cycle in the paragraph above. Misery is the irrefutable result, as the exploding incidence of young female antidepressant use proves. Miserable people BUY MORE. Sick people BUY more. Sick people attempt SELF MEDICATION more. Most importantly, sick people are more willing to give more and more power over their lives to the Complex. Anything that prevents that rotten cycle must be negatively labeled and dismissed as counter to "women's rights" or ironically "attacks on women."

    The Complex elite wants its power maintained and wealth increased by ruling over a dependent mass of dysgenic, dystopian thralls. The concept of "slut shaming" is just one of many propaganda tools and other tools it uses to achieve its goals.
     
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    I think the bigger picture here is "WHY" you think people on the Right are more prone to using the term?

    Example:
    I have several friends that are gay, they use the term all the time in jest, Far-FAR more then any of my "POTTY MOUTH" friends including myself on right those on the left or any affiliation, including oilfield, construction and while drinking never if ever use the word..

    Personally I hate the word "Wet" when getting "Baked"! Nothing sounds more gross then some guy saying, "Dude, I'm wet as f$%k!" when high or baked explains it well enough ¯\_(º¸º)_/¯
     
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    It was odd, but generally Dayton is more on point! We all have bad days I guess ¯\_(º¸º)_/¯
     
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    Agreed! Here, well back in the day, snatch was the a word commonly used.. Honestly, I cant even recall a time in my many years "Slut" was a thing until the Gay crowd started calling one another it, even on the silver screen and todays video's ¯\_(º¸º)_/¯
     
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    I believe you and I are about the same age, which puts us in a different age. I dislike those things you dislike. I would add multiple marriages to the list. I'm on the cusp of "The Greatest Generation" and "The Silent Generation" so my values and thoughts about morality might as well come from Mars. I've moved from a sense of discomfort to one of F*** 'em. Then I go have a beer unless the behavior is especially egregious then I mix a martini.
     
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    It's a manufactured Complex-MSM term, a headline, a concocted placard slogan. I've never heard any person of any political persuasion use it in real life. Think about that and the purpose such media manufacture serves.
     
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    Same, or it's just an Arkansas thing ¯\_(º¸º)_/¯
     
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    I'll take a stab at it. The left champions whores, sluts, fatties, drug addicts, mental illness.....you name it. So naturally if someone speaks the truth about anyone in those categories the left brands it as 'shaming' as part of their PC police state.
     
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    But it does help with on the credibility and hypocrisy side of the equation ;)
     
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    I'll take the hit! And I will carry the title proudly with all the distinction it represents!
     
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    Women seem to do most of the slut shaming anyway. I'm not even sure it's much of a "man" topic.
     
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