What Is Wrong With The Type Of People Who Feel Sorry For Rapists & Murderers?

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  1. Shiva_TD

    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    No one has ever claimed that all racists are stupid. Some are very intelligent racists that merely have heinous intent. Adolf Hitler was not a stupid person but he is unquestionably the poster child of racism. We also have very intelligent people that pander to racists for different reasons predominately for political power over the racists.

    As noted the pity is for the stupid people that are racists and not for those that are intelligent with heinous intent or that pander to racists for political power.

    Why anyone would want to be associated with people like Adolf Hitler, George Wallace or David Duke (former Grand Wizard of the KKK) is beyond the comprehension of most intelligent individuals.
     
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    And of course by that, you mean science and fact only convinces some people, the rest would rather believe disproved and absurd nonsense!!
     
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    Oh well, now you're singing a vastly different tune to the one you were singing earlier. The way you worded it initially is that you feel sorry for me for being an admitted and proud racist because I'm a stupid individual with a low IQ.

    I really don't think Dr, James Watson, Dr, Shockley, Dr, David Duke, Jared Taylor, historian David Starkey or myself need your pity. We've all experienced life and have learned many things about the reality of racial differences and racial issues.

    But thanks for your concern anyhow. It's quite nice that you have my well-being in mind. [​IMG]

     
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    And you're wrong about this part anyway. Frodly did. You'd be surprised by how many anti-racists do this in a childish attempt to make themselves feel better about being an elitist mental-midget. People who don't think like they do really do annoy them.
     
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    Yes I did. Or to clarify, I didn't say all racists ever are stupid. Just people who continue to be racist today, even when all scientific evidence shows just how truly stupid this position is!! How can a person come to such an incredibly stupid conclusion, unless they are stupid? Maybe not 100% are stupid, but very close to it, and none of them are smart!!
     
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    Your scientific evidence is propaganda and anti-racists are so stupid they can't even realize that and instead act like sheep who can't think for themselves and rely on what blatant propaganda indoctrinates them to believe. Many of the famous intelligent/smart racists I listed are doctors, scientists and professors. One happens to be a leading DNA pioneer. So your stupid argument holds no water among anyone blessed with a triple digit IQ.

    Good day. [​IMG]
     
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    Can't you do both? What's wrong with seeking to understand their motives and using that information to prevent future incidents while still carrying out the justice of making them atone for their actions? Afterall, understanding them doesn't undo their crime.
     
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    The earthly source of sympathy for evil is women, who come hardwired with the proclivity to nurture the ego; and men who have been sufficiently corrupted by women will naturally contract the same proclivity, and count such sympathy as a virtue.

    In the US, of course, this dynamic has become institutionalized to the point where we have a feminized President who can almost always be counted on to support evil and undermine decency.
     
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    Because I don't believe in the death penalty, under any circumstances.
     
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    I can understand this.

    Growing up I surrounded myself with criminals, thugs and all kinds of contemptible individuals. I now believe in the death penalty through them. In my personal opinion there are just some people who have it coming to them, whether the law does it or another citizen who crosses their paths...
     
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    Death penalty is a tough decision.

    Some people may deserve it, like a New zealander i read about once in a uk newspaper. He killed 3 people with his barehands in the period of 15 minutes. The police found him beating the crap out of an ambulance while was trying to get inside.

    Now someone like that, who obviously has a beserk temper. A prison system of life inprisonment, will costs a fortune to monitor his psychotic episodes.

    Maybe death is the only way, although there are probably innocents in prison who are screwed over by lawyers and the law who in a death penalty system, will be put to death for nothing.
     
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    Kneel before you? NEVER. DEATH BEFORE DISHONOR
     
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    This is probably the best answer in the thread so far. But I'm not sure I'm 100% convinced. These people (or women) seem irrational to the point of mental illness. There has to be some kind of mental imbalance that plays a part.

    I do agree with you for the most part and you're probably right.
     
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    Strawman. Races are not only about melanin, its the most visible trait that varies among races, but its by far not the only one.

    I am not a racist, nor do I defend them because I think the differences are small, and irrelevant for things such as legal rights anyway, but denying there are differences between races is just stupid. Its a basic evolutionary principle that geograpically isolated populations will immidiately diverge, in many genetic traits, not just melanin.

    It may indeed be the case that on average, young black men are more aggressive and have lower IQ, since they tend to have higher testosterone levels compared to white men (Sources: Serum Androgen Concentrations in Young Men: A Longitudinal Analysis of Associations with Age, Obesity, and Race. ; Testosterone, sex hormone-binding globulin, and body composition in young adult African American and Caucasian men), and we know androgen levels are positively correlated with libido and aggresivity, and negatively correlated with IQ (Sources: Plasma Testosterone: Correlation with Aggressive Behavior and Social Dominance in Man ; Assessment of Aggressive Behavior and Plasma Testosterone in a Young Criminal Population ; Testosterone and Nonverbal Intelligence in Right-Handed Men and Women).

    The point is, stop framing all racists as stupid or irrational. I dont agree with their conclusion that the differences between races are significant enough to justify some kind of racial discrimination, but I agree that they have a point when criticising the other extreme - the notion that races are only a "social construct", or that there are no biological differences at all between races except melanin levels. Thats just a stupid argument against racism, because its simply not true. Better to argue that the differences are so small that they do not justify any kind of discriminatory political action based on race, especially given the problems and slippery slope it would create.
     
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    If the proclivity to believe lies can be considered a form of mental imbalance, it is one that women are born with, and that egotistical men nurture unconsciously.
     
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    I assume this refers to the following post:

    http://www.politicalforum.com/off-t...sorry-rapists-murderers-8.html#post1060988497

    Of course I never accuse any member of Poltical Forum of anything. If they are "guilty by association" with those I would accuse that is their problem and not mine. It is not implied by anything I say.

    But let is look at some of those "famous intelligent/smart racists:

    Dr James Watson is a noble prize winner in the field of human genetics. He was forced to retire in disgrace in 2007 when he made the following statement in the Times:

    There was no genetic evidence, his field of expertise, to support his statement and it was based upon IQ test results instead which is not his field of expertise. Experts in the field of IQ testing quickly pointed out that the results of IQ tests did not indicate generally lower intelligence of Africans but instead noted that IQ tests are specifically limited in the type of intelligence they seek to measure. Dr Watson's opinion was not based upon his field of expertise and was quickly rebutted by the scientific community which is why he was forced to resign. He violated a fundamental foundation of science by making a spurious racist statement unsupported by any factual evidence.

    Racists continue to believe the statements by Dr Watson even though the statements were not based upon his field of expertise and have been discredited by experts in the field of IQ testing.

    Dr William Shockley is another interesting case as he was an American physicist and inventor that also won the Nobel Prize. Later in life he embarked on investigations unrelated to his field of expertise and, without out many considerations associated with valid research he proposed that low IQ individuals should be offered financial compensation to voluntarily submit to surgical sterilization to reduce genetically transferred lower intelligence. This would include blacks and whites and was not racial in context. Racists have misrepresented his proposals to support their racist agenda. Remember that had his proposal been followed it would have reduced the number of racists in America because there are a lot more low IQ whites than there are low IQ blacks.

    David Duke is just a racist and has always been a racist. He has never produced any works of science and merely misrepresents facts in his racist diologue and it is purely for reasons of "power" and I do not pity him but instead condemn him for he nefarious purposes and heinous intent. He's nothing but Hitler-lite and is rightfully be condemned for his racism. We need only remember that he headed the very same racist hate group, the KKK, that murdered innocent blacks including children in the 1960's.

    Jarad Taylor is another ill-informed racist also lacking any foundation for his discriminatory beliefs established by ignorant prejudice. He's smart enough to know better but instead chooses to be a bigoted racist. Once again, no pity but only condemnation.

    David Starkey maybe respected by racists for his ignorant racist comments but it is somewhat ironic that he was also a supporter of gay rights. Most, not all racists, are also bigoted homophobics as well and endorse discrimination under the law for same-sex couples in violation of the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment.

    These might be "heroes" of ignorant racists but when we look we find that the racists ignore the facts related to each of them and even improperly assign significance to them in many cases. Of course the Hitler-lite types do not deserve our pity, only our condemnation, but the truly ignorant racists that follow them should receive some level of pity as they are just stupid fools being mislead by the mini-Hitlers we have today.
     
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    "The world saw a grieving mother. Americans saw the parents of a fallen soldier. Trump saw muslims."

    And the DNC saw the Khan's as political pawns.
     
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    Please explain the highlighted part ?
     
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    David Duke isn't a racist, he is a white nationalist who deserves sympathy for his prejudiced beliefs, because he has seen his once great nation that many white people sacrificed for fail for the greed of crony capitalists.

    the true racists or 'evil doers' are the rich, and out of all of the groups mentioned here they ought to be the hardest ones to forgive and show compassion too for their misdeeds, since their actions caused the racism, violent crime, etc...that are easy to judge.
     
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    White Nationalists are racists. As social conservatives they hold onto the belief in White (WASP) Male Supremacy in our social, economic and political institutions that has existed since the United States was created in violation of the US Constitution and the ideology upon which America was founded.

    Of note America is a far better nation today, with it's acceptance of multi-culturalism and civil rights that the ideological founders of America embraced, than it was in the past. While equality still eludes us because of social conservatism we're moving in the right direction slowly.
     
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    Is this concerning the whole issue with Brock Turner's release? Because I don't feel pity at all for scumbags like him. Even prisoners, convicted felons and murderers, don't tolerate rapists, especially those who rape children. People like Turner should never be released for, "good behavior." If they did such, "good behavior" they wouldn't be where they are in the first place.
     
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    Lets not forget pedophiles as well.....

    Now in some extreme progressives circles pedophilia is perfectly fine and natural...

    Our country is all screwed up socially.
     
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    Sounds like he doesn't believe the victim. I guess in the cases of false reports of rape as has recently happened in some colleges, the innocent party would like this new terminology. However, if the case is proven I am sure accuser would quickly be replaced with the word victim.
     
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    Murderers and rapists?

    Conservatives such as traitor Bush and his supporters applauded the criminally imperialistic and barbaric invasion attack on Iraq and the rape torture that took place in Abu Ghraib. This as a result of their irrational ''political correctness'' which attempts to 'justify' every manner of barbarity committed against Third World nations. Nothing comes closer to Hitlerian ideology than the crazed ideas believed in and practiced by the far right.
     
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    Republican "family values" politician arrested for deviant behavior with a minor:


    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...motel-could-face-charges-authorities-say.html



    I can supply many more links with similar forms of barbaric behavior from these born again {sic} family values conservatives.
     

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