What is your theory on why the USA has not been to the moon in the past 40 years?

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  1. Descartes

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    at about 42:55 Steve explained why NASA didn't dig a crater under the LEM

    The Morpheus IS a fair comparison to the LEM for a number of reasons.
     
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    Which you choose not to detail, is totally irrelevant, a strawman of stupid proportions and given by the imbecile "Steve the chemist" who is not qualified to be providing this clueless batshit.

    Nope, I just detailed why it isn't and you just bare assert it is. The exit bell is tiny compared to the LM, meaning all that thrust at exit is SIGNIFICANTLY more than the LM on the lunar surface. The two surfaces of Earth and Moon are not comparable in any way
     
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    Correcting errors in typing too quickly.
     
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    Well, for one thing, The Morpheus is on the earth - and the earth has an atmosphere. The Morpheus rocket exhaust gas will collide with the air molecules and this will cause the exhaust plume to spread out and lose energy. The Apollo lander is on the moon in a vacuum so the exhaust gas molecules will be unimpeded as they collide with the the moon's surface.
     
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    No, that's not correct. The exhaust on a rocket expands more and more with less pressure. This is why the LM has such a long wide engine bell. You can see this very noticeably on the Saturn V launch, narrow at lift-off and dispersing widely at very high altitude. On the LM, once clear of the bell, the exhaust would spread out at about 90 degrees.The morpheus engine may well be impeded by air, but it's still not even close to a good comparison. The lunar surface is vastly different to Earth.
     
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    Apollo 6: The Saturn V That Almost Failed | Drew Ex Machina

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    Plume expands in a vacuum/lower pressure as seen by images above. In addition, under the LM, photographed by Armstrong, clearly the ground is visibly harder with cracks, exhaust striations and dust all blown away. The nature of the surface is largely dictated by the way particles are compressed together with no atmosphere, very jagged and tightly bound over millions of years of bone dry vaccum, solar radiation and gravity. Totally different to Earth terrain.

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    Do you really think that a rocket ship can land on the surface of the moon without any evidence of the landing?
     
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    There IS evidence
     
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    No. I think there would more often than not be evidence of the landing. Like the whole area dust-free, striations around the engine, visible blast trails in the surface that have disturbed the top surface shortly before landing.

    Conspiracy theorists have been spewing out this bullshit for decades now, do you really think it possible for a single one of them to remove their head from their backsides and understand their own folly and ignorance? The images above disproved your foolish claim about Morpheus and you cowardly avoided this. The Apollo image under the LM, one of many, shows the area has been voided of dust, the surface is clearly much harder and understandably resistant to a throttled back rocket engine in a vacuum.

    No amount of reasoning can get through the veil of ignorance worn with pride by conspiracy theorists.
     
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    I don't think it is the vacuum so much that is expanding the plume. It is because the rocket engine has been designed to operate that way in a vacuum. There are a lot of weird things that happen in a rocket plume. It takes lots of testing to get it the way you want.
     
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    There, try not to do that. Sharing your thoughts when they are so clueless is not contributing anything of note.

    Hogwash. The design of the engine bell is directly related to ambient external pressure. Listen to you, continuing flogging this hopelessly dead horse! The point still remains and is not open to debate, the exhaust expands upon engine bell exit and produces far less than the 1psi already identified.
     
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    Libs talking about Physics = libs talking about guns = aardvarks talking about neurosurgery
     
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    I think that's what I said.
     
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    Stop trolling. The psi of the plume 5-10 feet away from the engine is massively reduced.

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    A storable liquid rocket engine firing in support of plume characterization experiments in the J-4 Vertical Altitude Simulation Chamber.
     
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    The Earth's moon is not real. Never was. What you think you see, is an illusion that just shows the power of the Illuminati goes back a lot further than heretofore suspected. They were organised long before the Mayans or ancient Egyptians created their calenders. Their evil tentacles predate oral history. We will never be free of their mass effort at propaganda. Do you believe Mars is real red planet just because certain astronomers going back to Galileo have been pointing to a small blob and calling it one? Nope. Galileo had documented ties with the first Illuminati controling the Akkadian Secret Societies
     
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    You obviously didn't watch Steve's video - because ALL the official images show significant dust and debris under the rocket cone.
     
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    Once again more bullshit. And please don't insult people by suggesting this clown is pointing something new out, not already debunked to death. That's right, NASA was daft enough not to "sweep away" all the "dust and debris" then even more stupidly they took images of their "failure"!

    The images massively show the areas are clear of dust, sure there are bits here and there, but this isn't some team of jet-sprayers clearing the damn area. I would be more amazed if there weren't some random stuff.
     
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    Getting funding is the purpose. The goal of every government agency.
     
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    Well getting funding doesn't answer the actual question. The reason for going into space and orbiting Earth are for things like this:
    Missions: Earth Observing System (EOS) | NASA's Earth Observing System
    " EOS is comprised of a series of coordinated polar-orbiting satellites designed to monitor and understand key components of the climate system and their interactions through long-term global observations. The EOS missions focus on the following climate science areas: radiation, clouds, water vapor, and precipitation; the oceans; greenhouse gases; land-surface hydrology and ecosystem processes; glaciers, sea ice, and ice sheets; ozone and stratospheric chemistry; and natural and anthropogenic aerosols."

    Effectively creating data for scientific analysis, creating jobs to work on and build the components. Potentially down the road, offering creative solutions that can be used in industry.
     
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    Then you have more extended missions, farther out such as these:
    https://eospso.nasa.gov/missions/deep-space-climate-observator
    "The Deep Space Climate Observatory, or DSCOVR, is a spacecraft which orbits between Earth and the sun, observing and providing advanced warning of particles and magnetic fields emitted by the sun (known as the solar wind) which can affect power grids, communications systems, and satellites close to Earth. From its post at the Lagrange point 1 (or L1), approximately one million miles from Earth, DSCOVR also observes our planet and provides measurements of the radiation reflected and emitted by Earth and images of the sunlit side of Earth for science applications."
     
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    Just between those two operations are important geostationary systems:
    Geostationary Operational Environmental Satellite-16 | NASA's Earth Observing System
    "The Geostationary Operational Environmental Satellite-R Series (GOES-R) is the next generation of geostationary weather satellites. There are four satellites in the series: GOES-R, GOES-S, GOES-T, and GOES-U. The GOES-R Series Program is a collaborative development and acquisition effort between the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) and NASA to develop, launch, and operate the satellites.

    The first in the series, GOES-R, launched at 6:42 PM (Eastern) on November 19, 2016 and was renamed GOES-16. GOES-16 has provided continuous imagery and atmospheric measurements of Earth’s Western Hemisphere, total lightning data, and space weather monitoring, providing critical atmospheric, hydrologic, oceanic, climatic, solar and space data.

    GOES-16 began drifting to the GOES-East operational location of 75.2 degrees west longitude on November 30, 2017. Drift was complete on December 11, 2017, and nominal operations resumed on December 18, 2017 when the satellite was declared GOES-East.

    The GOES-16 (now GOES-East) instrument suite consists of Earth sensing, solar imaging, and space environment measurement payloads. There are six primary instruments: the Advanced Baseline Imager (ABI); the Extreme Ultraviolet and X-ray Irradiance Sensors (EXIS), which includes an Extreme Ultraviolet Sensor (EUVS), X-Ray Sensor (XRS), EUVS/XRS Electrical Box (EXEB), and Sun Positioning Sensor (SPS); the Geostationary Lightning Mapper (GLM); the Magnetometer (MAG); the Space Environment In-Situ Suite (SEISS), which includes an Energetic Heavy Ion Sensor (EHIS), Magnetospheric Particle Sensor – Low Energy Range (MPS-LO), Magnetospheric Particle Sensor – High Energy Range (MPS-HI), Solar and Galactic Proton Sensor (SPGS), and Data Processing Unit (DPU); and the Solar Ultraviolet Imager (SUVI)."
     
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    This one is very topical at the moment, vital for advanced warning to the US:
    Tropospheric Emissions: Monitoring of Pollution (EVI-1) | NASA's Earth Observing System
    "This instrument will measure the spectra required to retrieve ozone (O3), nitrogen dioxide (NO2), sulfur dioxide (SO2), formaldehyde (H2CO), glyoxal (C2H2O2), aerosols, cloud parameters, and UV-B radiation. TEMPO thus measures the major elements, directly or by proxy, of the diurnal tropospheric ozone chemistry cycle. Multi-spectral observations provide sensitivity to ozone in the lowermost troposphere. TEMPO will also quantify the daytime temporal evolution of aerosol loading.

    TEMPO will be part of a constellation of instruments measuring air quality over the Northern Hemisphere that will also include the European Space Agency's Sentinel-4, currently in development, and South Korea's Geostationary Environment Monitoring Spectrometer."
     

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