What is your theory on why the USA has not been to the moon in the past 40 years?

If it's plausible that two contries are colluding, one country's photographs cannot be used as proof that the other country is telling the truth. Governments can be controlled by a lot of different means. They can be puppet governments. They can be independent governments whose leaders are being bribed or blackmailed. Pictures are fakable so they are therefore not proof of anything as they might be faked.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRE7grId3sI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKj5fckUX-c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc2kijG8YdY

They also don't make the mountain of hoax proof disappear.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144487

This is only going to sway a few of the viewers who don't take the time to click on the links and look at the info. Once people have actually looked at the hoax proof and seen your analyses of if, they'll see that you don't even believe your own arguments. People can follow this discussion on the other thread.
http://www.politicalforum.com/moon-landing/302868-real-veil-2.html

I hope everyone has seen the proof that the Chinese spacewalk was fakd.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144487&page=132&p=6317012&viewfull=1#post6317012
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Betamax says it was real.

 

It isn't. Your whole case relies on nothing more than conspiracy nonsense.

Damn right. And the guy you rely on to say it wasn't, says Apollo was real.

http://debunking-a-moron.blogspot.co.uk/2011/07/chinese-spacewalks-part-1.html

 

Americans of this era are not a confident and outward looking people. They have adopted the same agenda as livestock.

 

Hey Betamax

You tried to obfuscate something that was too clear to obfuscate. You said that the safety cables in the Chinese spacewalk weren't buoyant, but were moving because of shape-memory.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=ES&hl=es&v=gMxQEHfU6hM

Watch the video at these time marks...
0:50
2:10
3:00
3:10
6:08
6:44
6:53

...and watch this video the 3:45 time mark.
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=NVbBFwdmldA

That's clear buoyancy in water. You're a pretty good sophist but there's a point at which things are so clear that sophistry becomes ineffective. Sophistry only works when things are a little vague. You obviously don't even believe your own arguments.

Go ahead and obfuscate away. You won't fool anybody with an IQ over ninety.

 

I don't think you understand what the word obfuscate means.

Not only do I believe them, I would argue most strenuously with anybody foolish enough to argue otherwise.

Nor do I intend to do so. I debunked your entire argument, all that remains from you is repetitive spam, with the same identical phrases you have used for 5 years.

http://debunking-a-moron.blogspot.co.uk/

 

NASA is childish Trekkie escapism.

 

We're waiting. Tell us why the buoyant safety cables aren't buoyant.
http://www.politicalforum.com/moon-...been-moon-past-40-years-8.html#post1062715294
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They aren't buoyant - the movement is simple shape memory. Tell everybody how a flag can move opened out with no billowing caused by water. Tell everybody why you completely ignore the debunking posts I made. Tell everybody why the guy who made the original china fake spacewalk video says Apollo was real.

http://debunking-a-moron.blogspot.co.uk/2011/07/chinese-spacewalks-part-1.html

 

If that were the case, the movement wouldn't be one hundred percent consistent with buoyancy. The cable only moves when buoyancy would make it move. If the movement were caused by shape-memory, the cable would also move when it wasn't consistent with buoyancy.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144487&page=132&p=6317012&viewfull=1#post6317012
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This is so clear that nobody who looks at the footage needs to have this pointed out. Your credibility is pretty much shot now. You're not here to seek the truth, but to obfuscate.

The movement can be explained by fast-motion. This is from the above post.

The speed can be changed during the showing of the video to give the false impression of movement in a vacuum.

As I've said in the past, you completely discredited yourself when you tried to obfuscate the clear proof that the Chinese spacewalk was faked. Once a person has be thoroughly discredited, what's the point of continuing to talk to him?

I've responsed to this before several times. Here's a link to one of the times. It's at the bottom of the post.
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=216531&page=201
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Here's a video that talks about anti-establishment pundits who say things they obviously don't believe themselves.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhrZ57XxYJU

I think there's a good chance that some goons from the government paid them a visit and made them an offer they couldn't refuse.

Here's a thread I started on this subject from another forum.
http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/topic/3761668/1/

 

What a totally ludicrous circular argument. It looks consistent to you therefore it must be that, because no two things or actions could look the same with different explanations? At least you are consistent, consistently foolish.

Complete drivel. It would make no difference what speed you twisted open fabric in water. The sheer viscosity would drag on the fabric, opening it out. It is impossible in water and you know this.

Once again a truly moronic reply from you. To summarise, your reason for not responding to any of the debunking, which includes a complete debunk of the idiotic China swimming pool claim, is that you claim it to be faked, therefore you have no case to answer. Evasive action from you as always, your prediliction to troll knows no bounds.

Ridiculous. The man has made no claims against the United States, but you suggest that he has been got at, when people like Jarrah White, Bart Sibrel and any number of people(who have made claims) have been left alone. The reason he claims Apollo was real is because he believes this. You obviously "don't believe your own argument", because the man according to your simplistic criteria, has no credibility.

Answer these questions:-

1. When cables are formed, are they wound on a drum?
2. Does this create shape memory? An example of this being a simple garden hose.
3. In a vacuum with no force acting on a cable, would this very small tendency to assume that shape memory be far greater?
4. What possible reason would China have for using buoyant cables instead of reinforced steel?

The viewers are waiting on your every word, don't keep them waiting and don't disappoint them by avoiding the questions.

 

I see that the Black Knight will never give up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKhEw7nD9C4

This reply of yours is pretty lame.

The movement of the cable is 100% consistent with its being buoyant in water. I'm sorry but this anomaly is simply too clear to obfuscate. As I've said before, there's a point at which things are so clear that sophistry becomes ineffective. This anomaly is way beyond that point.

The only thing that's important in debates such as these is what the viewers end up thinking and your denying the obvious isn't going to sway any thinking people who've actually looked at the footage. You're only going to sway a few who don't take the trouble to look at it as some people side with the person who has the best rhetoric.

Go ahead and deny the obvious. You're not fooling anybody who actually looks at the footage.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144487&page=132&p=6317012&viewfull=1#post6317012
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I could stick around and debate with the Black Knight, but what would be the point if he's not swaying anybody?

If any serious posters show up here, I'll come back and debate. Until then, I'm just going to repost his lame analysis of the Chinese spacewalk from time to time if those pro-Apollo people try to bury it.

Here's the link to the partial summary of hoax proof in case anybody hasn't seen it.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144487

 

The troll has no answer.

 

So, yeah, false premise to this thread's question.. We are in fact "on the moon" right now. The USA and other nations have robotic missions there now. Such missions are far more efficient than sending astronauts out there to scoop up more rocks when we already have a bunch from the Apollo missions. Robots do the research we need done there and beyond..

Even in the case of Mars, a human presence is generally not a necessity. But back during the Apollo era, when robotics were far more primitive and we were in the space race with the USSR (and when we were still an insanely wealthy nation), sending humans to the moon made more sense.

 

NASA is the dreamer inside all of us.

 

I'm wondering about the Mars missions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BHAEXVvDX4
http://www.youtube.com/results?sear....5j1.6.0...0.0...1ac.1.11.youtube.4HT6TMTPPH8

If NASA can fake moon missions,...
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144487

...it can fake Mars missions.

 

Nasa didn't fake the moon missions

End of story.

 

The Space Race was part of America's Cold War propaganda to demonstrate the technological superiority of the US political system compared to the Soviet system. After the Soviet Union became the first to get a human into space, the Kennedy administration made the Apollo programme one of its top priorities because it was crucial for America to land man on the moon first. The US regained a position of leadership by the early-1970s after a series of successful moon landings. After losing the race to the moon, the USSR shifted its focus on orbital space stations and the Space Race had lost its political significance by the mid-1970s as the Nixon administration sought to ease relations between the nuclear superpowers.

 

I think it's because the government has been working on a space ship fueled by lies from the White House. So expect a trip soon.

 

Simply because they couldn't fake it again, they got away with it way back when, they just couldn't now, that's all.

Man has never been outside the Earths atmosphere ...................... and never will.

 

Lol The USA does collect some odd religions as well as, perhaps because it is a constitutionally Godless Land, a strange notion of what religion is.

 

Nothing to do with religion,kid,just facts.

 

Yes we have. That's what the space shuttle did. As well as all the other spacecraft that have been launched over the years.

Wouldn't of thought that there was much of a need to fake it. I mean they did launch the Saturn V rocket.

 

Top notch post, would read again.

 

By golly, that's right! Mars is easier, given how much more earth-like it is and all.

By the way, are they also faking all of the robotic missions to the moon today, like the LRO? How about the deep space probes?

 

If it's a hoax then Mrs Gorsky (or Mrs Klein or Mrs Silverstein and so on) is going to be bloody angry!