What the 70M votes cast for Trump means.

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  1. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Even after he is off the stage the lies he has told and the conspiracy theories he has spun will remain part of the belief system of millions of Americans. He has done incalculable, long lasting damage to the country.
     
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    We may only have 4 years to teach our children the moral values and ethical standards that were set aside by Trump.
     
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    Vernan89188 Well-Known Member

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    That's the plan. Just dont come crying to us asking what happened to your internet, crying about they be censoring us. Or whining about how others took your jobs so now your stuck working at uncle Larrys grocery.
     
  4. HockeyDad

    HockeyDad Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I mean this sincerely. Thank you for that. That is the mindset that we have to develop. Live with those who agree with you politically and separate yourself from people who disagree.
     
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    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    There are pros & cons to every idea. The pro here is that you live in peace & comfort knowing everyone around you is just like you. The con is that closed communities gradually develop a sense of isolation & superiority, which can lead to issues with neighboring communities that are "different." That can lead to a form of tribalism, which can lead to all sorts of uncomfortable challenges.

    Perhaps the best solution is to learn to live with diversity.
     
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    I agree that is the best solution for you. The poverty, wealth inequality, burning, looting and random murders/robberies/riots are the price you are willing to pay to live where you live. That price is unacceptable to me and mine. Perhaps you should live your life and quit attempting to force your values on people who have a different moral compass than yourself. I do not like to see the backslide from your original post.

    PS: It is the utter and complete intolerance of liberals for diverse political viewpoints and their persecution of people with diverse viewpoints that makes them pure poison to a decent conservative community/county/state. If conservatives want their values represented in their local/state government, it only works if they are the overwhelming majority. It is the last bastion where their worldview can get any respect. Weird that a worldview shared by nearly half the country get's zero representation in movies, TV or the MSM. Now they don't even want us to have our worldview respected in our local/state governments, they want to move to our utopias and change them. When the left has erased our representation, is there a reason we should continue to pay taxes (our forefathers fought a war over taxation without representation)?
     
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    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    It has been my experience as a liberal Democrat that your description here fits perfectly with the behaviors I've encountered from conservatives. I offer the complete & total obstructionism by Mitch McConnell as an example. McConnell refuses to allow any Democratic bill from the House to even be allowed an open discussion in his Senate. I tell you I share many of the same frustrations you do, only mine come from the behaviors & attitudes of Republican conservatives. This coin has two sides, & Democrats see your side being uncompromising.
     
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    The DOJ has always remained independent, as has the separation of powers. If Trump could have levied control over Congress, he would've gotten a lot more done than he did. What we witnessed was not an outlaw, outsider President. What we witnessed was the internal collapse of democracy, by democrats and for now, they rewarded themselves with their own destructive behavior in Joe Biden's victory.

    But as I said, excuses now wear incredibly thin and that means failure or success rests entirely on Joe's shoulders.
     
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    If that "worldview" includes scapegoating foreigners, blaming blacks for all their social ills, allowing the sick and disabled to fend for themselves, disrespecting and harming LGBTQ because of warped religious views, ignoring science because it clashes with your religious or political agenda. and would rather have no accountability for what you say or do, then yes, you deserve not to have representation because that is a political view of hate and intolerance. It builds nothing and tares down our civilization.
     
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    No one is scapegoating foreigners. It's a simple matter that the United States of America cannot logistically or realistically be the United States of the World. One of the big reasons for the ACA travesty is that undocumented migrants(hey, I'm using the left's preferred term) were going into hospitals and couldn't pay for their bills.

    Social Security and Medicaid suffer billions in losses, through the very same. It's that we as a country have to make a choice. Either our citizens are prioritized first, or the "rest of the world". And if you choose the "rest of the world" be prepared for America to lag behind on the world stage.

    Because our so-called "allies"? They don't care. Germany cares for Germany, the UK cares for the UK. Italy cares for Italians. Their first and foremost priority(as it should be) is for their residents. When our government fails to fulfill that very same basic responsibility, we citizens suffer the consequences.

    While we deploy to "protect our allies", our allies don't protect us. Our Western seas aren't protected by the Five Eyes. And I'm not even saying "Well, if they reciprocate then it's all good." No, a broken system does not need to be fixed, it needs to be abolished.

    LBGTQ members should be protected, and have been protected under the past administration, and the incoming one as well. Crimes are crimes, whether they are targeted or not and we sadly can't prevent all crime. But we have criminalized said action. That's as much as we can do, realistically.

    No one "ignores" science. Even if people all 99% jumped down and agreed on climate change, the fact is, some 35-40 years later they still don't have a uniform solution or proof that said solution actually works. Oh and in all likelihood in the next 35-40 years, we'll be repeating the same talking points with no actual climate change to actually report or to identify.

    Or is it the mask issue? We know that 69% of people have worn masks, we know they're wearing masks at these events and yet ultimately it's not doing anything. So even though some people would like to say it helps, the reality has been much crueler to us.

    Is it that if 95-100% of people wear masks, then the transmission will slow down? What happens if it doesn't? What will they say then?

    Science is not an opinion, given by someone with a fancy title and a doctorate. Science is proven, exclusively against all negatives thus proving itself to be valid.
     
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    I am not talking about politicians, I am talking about people that we have to interact with. Many liberals appear to be intolerant self-righteous bullies. Those aren't politicians accosting diners at restaurants, those aren't politicians beating the hell out of people with Trump hats, those aren't politicians spitting in the face of conservatives, those aren't politicians screaming like madmen at conservatives in smoke shops, those aren't politicians suing bakeries, those aren't politicians creating all the hate hoaxes, etc... This behavior affects the quality of life of the people who have to live around it.

    Liberals call us deplorables, bigots, haters, blah, blah as they flee from their communities into our communities. I am always flabbergasted that they have so little interest in the cleaning up the communities they are fleeing. I am left wondering if liberals are capable of creating a community that anybody would want to live in. Are they?

    The bottom line is this, if you disagree with our values, you have no business moving into our communities and trying to change them. The more peaceful and tolerant action is to stay in your community and attempt to make it better. If you work real hard, perhaps you can make it as nice as my community.
     
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    We need to go after trump for all his crimes and make sure he doesn't try to repeat his demagoguery again in 4 years.
    If he had acted like an adult and accepted his loss, I would have said to just forget him, but it's obvious that he will try to make trouble for the country so we need to whack that mole so he doesn't try to keep popping up.
     
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    Nope.
     
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    So no attempts should be made to contain covid19. Got it.
     
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    Considering who his vp is, a lot more than that.
     
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    Nov 4, the day after the election, thousands of happy voters filled the streets of numerous cities across the country. They were celebrating the Biden victory. They were peaceful, & happy. They danced in the streets. Yesterday, the Trump supporters filled the streets of Washington, DC. But they weren't happy or supportive of the election outcome. That's understandable. But what they did with their protest wasn't. They attacked some Biden supporters who were demonstrating peacefully nearby. So tell me again how us liberals are worse than you conservatives. Show me the evidence that you're right.

    Trump has had more than a week going into courts across the nation spreading his lies about the election being stolen by Biden. In every case, when judges asked Trump's lawyers for evidence to support their claims, they've admitted none exists. Judges in every court--including Republican judges--are calling Trump's charges nothing more than hearsay. I don't know how to understand voters who continue believing trump's lies in spite of his never being able to produce any evidence whatsoever to support his charges of fraud. How does anyone with a brain cope with these people?
     
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    No looting here. You are mistaken.

    How long you guys gonna milk this nonsense? Its absurd.

    ANTIFA! (does that scare you?)
     
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