What the policing response to the KKK in the 1960s can teach about dismantling white supremacists...

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  1. Kranes56

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    Which is why I said... riots aren't that organized compared to acts of terrorism. First day? They'll be most organized. After that? It devolves into looting as the people who started it lose control over the crowd. It is a crowd after all. Plus you have to take into account the police response, it's not the same thing. People shaking sticks angerly while lighting fires isn't the same thing as making bombs. The violence that's committed is very different from acts of terrorism.
     
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    Rioters aren't terrorists. They're very different. The distinction is the level of preparedness. Terrorists are preplanned. Riots (usually) aren't, but in that case it's usually something like ethnic cleansing.
     
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    The BLM/ANTIFA riots were planned and organized acts of terrorism and insurrection.
     
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    So the thing that isn't preplanned but responses to events happening in their community is planned?
     
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    They were preplanned and not a response to anything.
     
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    Considering all perpetrators of violence isn't racist enough. You have to pick on one group.
     
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    Then why did they start when they did? And better yet why use a crowd as the means to be violent? Loose lips sink ships as the case is. Wouldn't acts of terrorism like a bombing or a lonewolf attack make much more sense to do?
     
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    That's only true if you start counting victims of Islamic terrorism in October of 2001, and that's exactly what they do, and the reason why is pretty obvious, but you still fell for it anyway.

    If you include all the victims of 9/11, then Islamic terrorism has claimed more American lives on that one single day than white supremacist terrorists have in the last 40 years.

    Perpetrated overwhelmingly by blacks.

    Yes, but the doubling an insignificant number of attacks still adds up to an insignificant number of attacks.

    How many victims did the militia who prevented the arrest of Cliven Bundy claim?

    Exactly.

    Victims of Charlottesville- 1

    Victim tally? Monetary damages? how significant?

    The political and media coverage has blown the threat of white superracist terrorism wildly out of proportion. The facts and numbers do not support the political narrative that white supremacists represent any sort of significant threat. When compared to rampant left wing rioting and destruction, and the ongoing horrors of black street crime, white supremacists shouldn't even be a blip on the radar.

    The "danger" of white supremacy is a wildly-exaggerated political narrative, and very, very little else.
     
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    They started long before Floyd.

    Because they are stupid. Not all terrorists are clever.
     
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    An event happens.

    Point to and claim it is representative of an entire group.

    Play it, replay it, and replay it again and again.

    Claim it is common, that there are an extensive number of these people, and they need to be stopped.

    Play on fear. Hype it. Make it sound like it's common, and every day occurrence.

    Pay no heed to the man behind the curtain.
     
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    No, it was conservatives, across the board, who were condemning those who were protesting police brutality, especially police brutality against Black people. It was as if all of the Conservadome delighted in the police killings of Black people, as if it was a desirable function of the police.
     
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    Those more than 50 cops were kill in groups of 2 to 5 by different offenders in whole different cities and states so yeah there's a lot more than 2.
     
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    It is their media, that is at fault, and the fact that their media plays upon their built in prejudices. They are unaware that whenever their media complains about the fabled AntiFa, they are really complaining about those who are standing up to violent right wing gangs. It is not the AntiFa that invaded conservative cities, it was violent right wing gangs like the Patriot Prayer and the Proud Boys who repeatedly attacked liberal cities, vandalizing and attacking locals. Yet the right wing media repeatedly condemned those locals who stood up the violent right wing gangs.
     
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    And how much destruction did those condemnations do? How many fires were started, and businesses looted, by conservative condemnations of the BLM riots?
     
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    I particularly liked a particular Patriot Prayer member. He is a rather large man, a Samoan, who goes by Tiny. After a particular violent attack in Portland, all of which happened to be caught on surveillance cameras, the police began picking up Patriot Prayer members, one by one, and charging them with serious felonies. Tiny thought he could avoid arrest by fleeing to his Native American Samoa. After a couple of months, thinking the smoke had cleared, he returned to Portland, only to be arrested as he departed the plane at the airport. The last I heard from him was a newspaper interview, where he went on about how deluded and sorry he was to have been involved with the Patriot Prayer. It is all fun and games until the cops slap handcuffs on them.
     
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    The leftist media chooses to ignore acts of left wing terrorism, and pretend they're something else. Case in point-

    Seattle protest zone shooting leaves one dead - CNN
    [​IMG]https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/20/us/seattle-capitol-hill-chop-chaz-shooting/index.html
    Jun 20, 2020Officers responded around 2:30 a.m. local time Saturday to a report of shots fired at Cal Anderson Park inside the area referred to as the Capitol Hill Organized Protest (CHOP) or Capitol Hill...

    Left wing radical "guards" who were posted at a barrier of the left wing radical protest zone known as "CHOP/CHAZ" open fired, shot two, and killed one. The left wing extremists at the scene deliberately tampered with the crime scene and refused to identify the shooters.

    This was of course chalked up to "street crime" when it was clearly a murder committed by left wing radicals involved in an illegal left wing occupation of private and public property, and the crime was covered up by left wing radicals, and the murder(s) were never brought to justice.
     
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    I’m sure that if White conservatives were being harassed and killed on a regular basis, y’all would sing a different tune.
     
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    Evasion noted.
     
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    You don’t live in the Northwest, so you don’t understand the culture, yet you blab like an expert. I can pretty much guarantee, that whatever the protest in Seattle began as, it turned into a glorified homeless camp. All such protests turn out the same way. The trash and all. Talk to enough homeless people and you will quickly discover that there are almost no liberals among them. They tend to be of low intelligence. Since they don’t have many entertainment options, many listen to the radio on a regular basis. As right wing propaganda is on every other radio station, they end up listening to the same right wing rhetoric that y’all listen to. Day after day after day after day... Many hold the same distorted views.
     
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    No evasion, just pointing out what I see as not well thought out ideas. The issue at hand, in the protests, has always been police brutality. The wrong doing of the police. Yet it is only the BLM that many conservatives see. I wonder why that is? Well actually I know, but for rhetorical purposes I feel compelled to ask why.
     
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    You were ignoring the vast disparity in the amount of damage and mayhem caused by left wing extremists Vs. right wing extremists because it disagrees with your delusions.
     
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    Your Northwest culture makes excuses for left wing radicals even when they murder a teenager.

    You're right, I don't understand a culture afflicted by that sort of sickness of the mind.
     
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    What evidence do you have that anyone involved in January sixth was a white supremacist?
     
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    Confusing thread, the civil rights bill wasn't passed until 64 with the help of the Republican party and not much from the Democrats in office.. Soooooo, just who were these 60's white supremacists? Clearly it wasn't the Republican party as they worked with LBJ to pass civil rights for Black whereas the DNC fought tooth and nail to kill it all along it's climb to LBJ's desk for signing...
     
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    How many burnt buildings, windows smashed and general mayhem offset an act of police brutality?
     

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