What to do with $38 Billion to Israel

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  1. Grau

    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    “81% of Americans Oppose “Aid” to Israel”
    http://newobserveronline.com/81-americans-oppose-aid-israel/

    EXCERPT “Some 80.8 percent of Americans oppose the $38 billion in “aid” that the Jewish lobby-controlled U.S. Government last week pledged to Israel, an IRmep poll fielded by Google Consumer Surveys has found.

    At the same time, the Jewish lobby will pour money into campaign funds of politicians who support this “aid” package, while the controlled media will demonize any candidate for office who dares to oppose it.

    The poll found that the vast majority of Americans want the $38 billion “aid” pledge to be redirected toward other priorities, such as caring for vets, education, and lowering national debt.

    The IRmep poll has however found that 80.8 percent of the U.S. adult internet user population says they would redirect the proposed spending toward other priorities.

    Caring for veterans (20.7 percent) was their top priority, followed by education spending (20.1 percent), and paying down the national debt (19.3 percent).

    Rebuilding U.S. infrastructure was favored by 14.9 percent, while funding a Middle East peace plan received 5.8 percent of support.

    Only 16.8 percent said the $38 billion of pledged foreign aid should be spent on Israel.” CONTINUED

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    I'm curious to know what Readers of this Forum would like to see done with the $38 Billion in American money currently destined to be spent on more arms for Israel.

    1. Rebuild/Humanitarian Aid to Gaza

    2. Aid to US Vets.

    3. Rebuild US Infrastructure

    4. More Arms for Israel
     
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    Deckel Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Most of our aid to Israel comes in the form of US made military equipment.
     
  3. GrayMatter

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    sad, 38B confiscated by the government to be given to someone else without your permission.

    Wonder what law or constitutional power allows this?

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    all foreign aide should be individuals giving to foreign charities. US has no business getting involved with giving money away.
     
  4. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    prove it
     
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    Foreign Aid should benefit the American People. If it does not, that the amounts of money appropriated by the Federal Government from the American People should be returned to the American People. But to point at the mess that is the Federal Leviathan that misappropriates the wealth of the American People and squanders it on whatever breezy notion wafts into the minds of the Leviathan, and suddenly become overwhelmed with concern over aid to Israel?

    What other federal misspending similarly concerns you?
     
  6. Grau

    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Apparently you're not aware of the sentiments of LOYAL, working Americans who have served their country in many ways and wish to continue serving it against its REAL Greatest Threat.

    In spite of Zionist dominated Major Media, informed Americans are learning the extent to which Israel is not only a parasitic Pariah but 16 US Intelligence Agencies have concluded that Israel is America's greatest threat.


    “81% of Americans Oppose “Aid” to Israel”
    http://newobserveronline.com/81-americans-oppose-aid-israel/

    EXCERPT “Some 80.8 percent of Americans oppose the $38 billion in “aid” that the Jewish lobby-controlled U.S. Government last week pledged to Israel, an IRmep poll fielded by Google Consumer Surveys has found.

    At the same time, the Jewish lobby will pour money into campaign funds of politicians who support this “aid” package, while the controlled media will demonize any candidate for office who dares to oppose it.

    The poll found that the vast majority of Americans want the $38 billion “aid” pledge to be redirected toward other priorities, such as caring for vets, education, and lowering national debt.

    The IRmep poll has however found that 80.8 percent of the U.S. adult internet user population says they would redirect the proposed spending toward other priorities.

    Caring for veterans (20.7 percent) was their top priority, followed by education spending (20.1 percent), and paying down the national debt (19.3 percent).

    Rebuilding U.S. infrastructure was favored by 14.9 percent, while funding a Middle East peace plan received 5.8 percent of support.

    Only 16.8 percent said the $38 billion of pledged foreign aid should be spent on Israel.” CONTINUED



    - “Poll: Most Americans Oppose Compensating Israel For Iran Nuclear Deal”
    http://www.mintpressnews.com/poll-m...ensating-israel-for-iran-nuclear-deal/208033/
    EXCERPT "- Only 7.9 percent support increasing annual US aid to Israel from $3.5 billion to $5 billion."CONTINUED


    The REAL cost of AIPAC, ADL, JINSA etc control of US Mid-East Policy & Aid to Israel is far greater than the small amount advertised:

    - “The Real Cost Of US Support For Israel – $3(*)Trillion”
    https://nwoobserver.wordpress.com/2011/02/21/the-real-cost-of-us-support-for-israel-3-trillion/


    However, there are groups who want Congress to know that LOYAL Americans are opposed to America's greatest threat & most insidious enemy[1]

    - "Stop the Blank Check"
    http://stoptheblankcheck.org/
    EXCERPT "American taxpayers have given more money to Israel than to any other nation, despite the fact that Israel is one of the smallest and richest countries on earth."CONTINUED




    [1] “An 82-page analysis concludes that Israel is currently the greatest threat to US national interests”
    http://fromthetrenchesworldreport.c...eatest-threat-to-us-national-interests/22135/

    EXCERPT “ (*)It’s a paper entitled “Preparing For A Post Israel Middle East”, an 82-page analysis that concludes that the American national interest is fundamentally at odds with that of Zionist Israel.

    The authors conclude that Israel is currently the greatest threat to US national interests because its nature and actions prevent normal US relations with Arab and Muslim countries and, to a growing degree, the wider international community.

    The study was commissioned by the US Intelligence Community comprising 16 American intelligence agencies with an annual budget in excess of $ 70 billion.”CONTINUED
     
  7. Ronstar

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    hahaha!!!

    the poll doesn't say what you claim it says.


    let me know when there is a poll that simply asks "Do you support the $38 billion 10 year aid package to Israel?"

    then we can talk
     
  8. Grau

    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    BLOOD & MONEY

    It's not just "federal misspending" that comprises the many costs of Israel to Americans

    Unless you've spent time as a patient or worked at any of America's V.A. hospitals, you don't know the REAL cost of America's unholy alliance with Israel & its parasitic Zionist Regimes:

    Can you name another country whose lobbies are influential enough to drive America to War?

    “QUIETLY LOBBYING CONGRESS TO APPROVE THE USE OF FORCE IN IRAQ WAS ONE OF AIPAC’S SUCCESSES OVER THE PAST YEAR.” AIPAC Executive Director Howard Kohr; N.Y. SUN JAN. ’03

    I've shared V.A. Hospital rooms with some of the many mutilated, burned, traumatized & dismembered loyal young Americans who comprise the REAL Cost of AIPAC's "Quiet lobbying" for American blood & money.
    Until you've done the same, you'll never know that this issue is far greater than the "federal misspending".

    The true cost of Israel to Americans is well over $3 TRILLION by now when you factor in the "many billions of dollars more in hidden costs and economic losses lurking beneath the surface":

    “The Real Cost Of US Support For Israel – $3(*)Trillion”
    https://nwoobserver.wordpress.com/2011/02/21/the-real-cost-of-us-support-for-israel-3-trillion/
    EXCERPT “ While it is commonly reported that Israel officially receives some $3 billion every year in the form of economic aid from the U.S. government, this figure is just the tip of the iceberg.

    There are many billions of dollars more in hidden costs and economic losses lurking beneath the surface. A recently published economic analysis has concluded that U.S. support for the state of Israel has cost American taxpayers nearly $3 trillion ($3 million millions) in 2002 dollars.

    “The Costs to American Taxpayers of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: $3 Trillion” is a summary of economic research done by Thomas R. Stauffer.

    Stauffer has taught at Harvard University and Georgetown University’s School of Foreign Service.
    ” CONTINUED

    What has the $ Trillions to Israel bought the US in return?

    Betrayals ranging from the Lavon Affaire in the 1950s to more recent betrayals in Iraq by Israeli back-stabbers:

    - “Israeli Snipers Killing US Troops In Iraq”
    Source: Joanna Francis and CNN
    http://www.blissful-wisdom.com/isra...ng-hundreds-of-american-soldiers-in-iraq.html


    - “REPORT: ISRAEL PASSES U.S. MILITARY TECHNOLOGY TO CHINA”
    http://defensetech.org/2013/12/24/report-israel-passes-u-s-military-technology-to-china/

    The list of Israeli betrayals if too lengthy to list here

    Additionally, Aiding & Abetting America's Greatest Security Threat goes far beyond "Federal Misspending"

    - “An 82-page analysis concludes that Israel is currently the greatest threat to US national interests”
    http://fromthetrenchesworldreport.c...eatest-threat-to-us-national-interests/22135/

    EXCERPT “ (*)It’s a paper entitled “Preparing For A Post Israel Middle East”, an 82-page analysis that concludes that the American national interest is fundamentally at odds with that of Zionist Israel.

    The authors conclude that Israel is currently the greatest threat to US national interests because its nature and actions prevent normal US relations with Arab and Muslim countries and, to a growing degree, the wider international community.

    The study was commissioned by the US Intelligence Community comprising 16 American intelligence agencies with an annual budget in excess of $ 70 billion.”CONTINUED


    So the issue is not so much about "Federal Misspending" but loyalties to a treacherous & Genocidal Zionist Regime or loyalty to America's best Interests & Americans in need.

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    You've already made your loyalties clear.
     
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    Actually most of it comes in the form of loan guarantees that as long as Israel pays the debt, which they almost always do, costs the US nothing....
     
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    The topic being discussed are the things that do cost us something, or at least that is my interpretation of it.
     
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    Check again. almost all US aid to Israel is in the form of Loan guarantees and funding for joint military project like Iron Dome and active defenses against RPG's and assorted other such projects and while we do actually spend money on this it can be argued that it would cost us more to do these projects on our own that is actually a net savings.

    By the way 3.8 billion a year is chump change. The current US budget is a 1000 times that.

    By the way most American are against any sort of foreign aid not just that to Israel. Then again most American think we spend far more on foreign aid than we do.
     
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    A lot of our aid comes as corporate subsidies to domestic businesses. It is how we dump food on the developing world as aid---it is all about subsidizing agribusiness. Aid to Israel and others s about subsidizing the military-industrial complex. There is always self-dealing in US aid packages. It is just a matter of whose self it is.
     
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    Loan guarantees? I think that has stopped.. Under the Cranston Act loans to Israel were automatically coupled with grants to cover the principle and interest on those loans.
     
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    Yea Gads, I didn't realize I was responding to an Amalekite.
     
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    I'm loling at "Loan guarantees" as it must now be in the hundreds of billions of unpaid loans just wiped off the books. Chump change my butt as are college students become debt slaves right out of high school.

    Think if we used that money for our children who are living on the streets, eating out of dumpsters and selling their bodies just to eat.
     
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    The Jews need iPhone 7's and Playstation 4's too!
     
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    3.8 billion wouldn't make a dent in a total student loan amount of 1.3 trillion
     
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    which of course you have zero evidence for
     
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    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think that any awakening can be attributed largely to Independent Media and the fact that there are many loyal American Jews who are sick of the Zionist machinations in Washington DC



    “Opposition to Israeli policies growing among Jews in USA”
    https://redflag.org.au/article/opposition-israeli-policies-growing-among-jews-usa
    EXCERPT “ For most of its existence since 1948, Israel has had the support of most Jews in the US.

    That is beginning to change, on different levels. This is important because US imperialism’s military and economic support for Israel is key to the maintenance of the Jewish-supremacist state.

    As more US Jews speak out to one degree or another in opposition to Israeli policies, they can have an impact.

    The emergence and growth of Jewish Voice for Peace (JVP) is an important indicator. “We represent a growing portion of Jewish Americans.

    Israel claims to be acting in the name of the Jewish people, so we are compelled to make sure the world knows that many Jews are opposed to their actions.

    There are often attempts to silence critics of Israel by conflating legitimate criticism with anti-Semitism. Israel is a state, not a person. Everyone has the right to criticise unjust actions of a state.”CONTINUED



    Currently, the most vehement "Jew Haters" are the Right Wing Extremist, Israeli Zionists who hateAmerican Jews who are not totally supportive of the Genocidal Israeli Zionist agenda.


    Many thanks
     
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    no, the worst Jew-haters these days, are on the Left.

    I say this as a Democrat and a Liberal.

    its very sad how soo many on the left use anti-Zionism as a mask, for their hatred of Jews
     
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    Cranston doesn't cover everything, and the grants still have to be passed separately. And if memory serves it applies to a lot of countries other than Israel as well. It also, as was previously pointed out keeps a lot, of US workers employed. Why some people think US workers having jobs is an unalloyed evil I don't know.
     
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    Isn't it just a tiny bit possible that people who object to Genocidal, Right-Wing Zionists simply object to Genocidal, Right-Wing Zionists or does everyone mask their true sentiments but you?



    “Far-Right extremism on the rise in Israel as Gaza conflict continues”
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ise-in-Israel-as-Gaza-conflict-continues.html


    MEANWHILE:


    “U.S. Support for Israel Is Decreasing, New Poll Shows”
    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/u-s-support-for-israel-is-decreasing-new-poll-shows-1.308855


    “Jewish and other groups rally against AIPAC”
    http://www.demotix.com/photo/1847083/jewish-and-other-groups-rally-against-aipac


    “Israeli Artists Condemn Settlements”
    https://jewishvoiceforpeace.org/cam...-artists-who-say-no-normalizing-settlements-4


    “Netanyahu a 'Danger' to Israel, Say 200 Israeli Veterans”
    http://readersupportednews.org/news...u-a-danger-to-israel-say-200-israeli-veterans
     
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    9 out of 10 rabid anti-Zionists are also Jew-haters.

    some try to mask their hatred of Jews, but claiming they simply hate Israeli crimes.

    but they then go on about the NWO, Jewish bankers, Jewish pedophiles, 9-11, Hollywood, the Talmud, all (*)(*)(*)(*) that has nothing to do with Israeli crimes against Arabs.

    they think they are clever, but they are not.
     

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