What Truthers Believe

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  1. Scott

    Scott Well-Known Member

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    There's a ton of it. I just posted some of it and it has you checkmated so you tap danced around it instead of addressing it.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/what-truthers-believe.532027/page-19#post-1069781105

    If you pro-official version posters aren't checkmated by the info in post #366, please explain why.

    There's a ton of proof that the official story is a big lie.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...orted-9-11-terrorists.456423/#post-1066183060

    You people can't show it to be wrong so you play dumb about it and try to bury it to reduce the number of viewers who see it.

    http://www.whale.to/m/disin.html
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    9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.
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    6) Artificial Emotions. An odd kind of 'artificial' emotionalism and an unusually thick skin -- an ability to persevere and persist even in the face of overwhelming criticism and unacceptance. This likely stems from intelligence community training that, no matter how condemning the evidence, deny everything, and never become emotionally involved or reactive. The net result for a disinfo artist is that emotions can seem artificial. Most people, if responding in anger, for instance, will express their animosity throughout their rebuttal. But disinfo types usually have trouble maintaining the 'image' and are hot and cold with respect to pretended emotions and their usually more calm or unemotional communications style. It's just a job, and they often seem unable to 'act their role in character' as well in a communications medium as they might be able in a real face-to-face conversation/confrontation. You might have outright rage and indignation one moment, ho-hum the next, and more anger later -- an emotional yo-yo. With respect to being thick-skinned, no amount of criticism will deter them from doing their job, and they will generally continue their old disinfo patterns without any adjustments to criticisms of how obvious it is that they play that game -- where a more rational individual who truly cares what others think might seek to improve their communications style, substance, and so forth, or simply give up.
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    I'd say your success rate is close to zero right now but if we truthers were to get tired and stop posting, you pro-official version posters would bury our posts and do the victory dance.
     
  2. Gamolon

    Gamolon Well-Known Member

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    Show me exactly where FEMA documented temperatures of 1370 degrees C (2500°F), which is the temperature needed to melt steel.
     
  3. Gamolon

    Gamolon Well-Known Member

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    Oh really? Can you prove that? Show me where these 3,000 architects and engineers endorsed this particular video.
     
  4. Gamolon

    Gamolon Well-Known Member

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    That statement comes from Tony Szamboti back in 2009. He even wrote a paper about it. He further explained that the percentage of column loss would reduce the factor of safety by the same percentage and as long as the FOS stayed at or above 1, the towers would still stand.

    How stupid.

    Using such simplistic thinking, the following would be true. Based on Tony's logic, we could lose 66% (or 31 core columns) of the 47 core (bringing the FOS to 1.02, AND 80% (or 192 perimeter columns) of the 240 perimeter columns (bring the safety factor to 1.0).

    Using the 6th floor blueprint, and using Tony's logic above, we could remove all the columns covered with a red line and leave the columns in the blue boxes, and the structure would still stand.
    6thfloorplan.PNG

    This has got to be the most ridiculous/idiotic line of thinking I've ever seen. And when I presented this to Tony and questioned his line of logic, he balked at it.
     
  5. Gamolon

    Gamolon Well-Known Member

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    Using the FOS logic you believe in, I could design a chair with four legs and a FOS of 3 to 1, sit in it, cut the two front legs off, and it would stay upright!

    Amazing!
     
  6. Bob0627

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    http://www.911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/metallurgy/WTC_apndxC.htm



    And adding to that, NIST claims to have interviewed many eyewitnesses yet John Gross claims he never heard of any eyewitness (or any) claims of molten steel. Yet there are numerous such corroborating claims of seeing molten steel, iron and/or metal.

    But I'm pretty sure you know all this, when it comes to denial it's always all about denying every single claim or opinion that contradicts or questions the OCT with you.

    Over 3,000 named and vetted architects and engineers have signed the AE9/11 petition and I haven't come across a single one who has disputed any part of the video. In fact the ONLY people I know of who try to dispute the contents of the video are mostly anonymous internet jockeys who like to call themselves "debunkers".
     
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    So if you knew all along, why did you ask me? I guess you also missed or ignored the highlighted portion of the statement.

    What's "stupid" is your line of reasoning. You attack every single detail of every claim and opinion that contradicts or questions the OCT yet you never do the same or even a tiny fraction of the same with the OCT, despite the overwhelming evidence proving it's a massive fraud.

    What's "amazing" and truly "FOS logic" is your comparison of the WTC tower to a chair. What's also "amazing" but really predictable is your failure to address and answer any of my questions:

     
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  8. Gamolon

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    Nowhere in that video is it mentioned or documented that temperatures of 1370 degrees C (2500°F), which is the temperature needed to melt steel, where ever reached. The temperatures reached, which was determined by a study of the steel, was WAY BELOW the melting point of steel and was a eutectic reaction.
     
  9. Gamolon

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    Because it proves you just parrot stuff without actually researching what you parrot.

    It's only "stupid" to you because it proves how idiotic the claim is. That's all you can do is deem it as being "stupid"? I didn't see an actual rebuttal of my evidence. Doesn't surprise me one bit.

    I dumbed it down for you. How about this. Someone designs a structure with four corner columns (chair legs) and says that the FOS is 3 to 1 for the structure. Using Tony's logic, which you think there is no problem with, I could remove two column from one side (making the FOS 1.5) and the structure would still stand.

    Stop playing stupid Bobby (or maybe you're NOT playing).
     
  10. Gamolon

    Gamolon Well-Known Member

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    How stupid!

    There are only 1,943 views of that video. That's 1,057 short of 3,000 architects and engineers! Let me guess. All 3,000+ architects and engineers approved/endorsed the video prior to release right?

    And only 122 of those viewers "approved it" (gave a thumbs up).

    Take your garbage assumptions elsewhere.
     
  11. Gamolon

    Gamolon Well-Known Member

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    Hey Bobby.

    Can you point me to any of the 400 questions that ask about thermite, explosives, the building collapses, melted steel, nukes, holograms, freefall, etc.? What were all these questions in regards to Bobby?
     
  12. Bob0627

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    It doesn't matter whether you're in denial or not. It doesn't change anything I posted about the eyewitness and hard evidence of molten steel which had to have been created by temperatures high enough to cause steel to melt. I also posted a video of a DOCUMENTED FEMA eyewitness claim of seeing melting girders which you obviously ignored. What do you suppose steel girders are made of? What temperature is required to melt a STEEL GIRDER?

    Says Polly who is married to the OCT. If I didn't do the research, I would have no way to post what I've researched. And for sure, when I post my personal opinions on what I've researched, I parrot no one.

    Your denials stand on their own intellectual dishonesty, whether you believe opposing claims and opinions or not. The fact remains, you NEVER EVER scrutinize any part of the OCT despite the overwhelming evidence of fraud. Talk about "idiotic".

    Actually you dumbed it down for yourself because your analogy is how you describe it, extremely dumb.

    I could say the same for you but I'm pretty sure you're very well aware of the facts since you read them regularly and have done extensive research. So you're not playing stupid, you have some sort of agenda and believe what you're doing can't be easily exposed as intellectually bankrupt.

    The link I provided is from YouTube because I could not get the link from the AE911 site where it originated from. If you had done the research you would know it originated from that site. Those who sign the AE911 petition receive newsletters from AE911 on a regular basis and are well aware of that video. You really need to quit using the term "stupid" unless you look in the mirror first.

    https://www.ae911truth.org/project-due-diligence

    You mean like your "chair" analogy to the twin towers garbage? I actually like your garbage because you provide me a regular opportunity to post the facts about 9/11 in response. Including this doozy:

    You left out UFOs, gremlins and pixie dust. The 9/11 Family Steering Committee questions have nothing to do with any of your red herrings.

    Like you've never read this, talk about "playing stupid". Your phoniness knows no bounds.

    http://911truth.org/downloads/Family_Steering_Cmte_review_of_Report.pdf

    So what about answers to MY questions Gamo, the ones you're trying so hard to bury in your BS? Too difficult to answer? Too dishonest to answer them honestly?
     
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  13. Gamolon

    Gamolon Well-Known Member

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    Right.

    "Aware of" does not equal "they watched" nor does it equal "they endorsed". Keep playing your games.
     
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    It seems to me you're the one playing all sorts of ridiculous games, dwelling on irrelevant minutiae to try to avoid everything relevant about the facts I listed. And still no answers to my questions, indicating your avoidance means what I said, you are too dishonest to answer them honestly (or at all). Signing on to the AE911 petition is an endorsement of everything posted on that site unless and until challenged otherwise. If any of these signatories challenged any of the contents in the video, I certainly would have heard of it and I'm quite sure YOU would know about it and be all over it. But even if that was true, it would still only be one out of over 3,000. The fact remains the ONLY challengers are mainly anonymous self professed "debunkers" using phony reasoning pretending they know better than real experts on the subject.
     
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    yasureoktoo Well-Known Member

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    I know you guys love beating a dead horse, co-mon, it was fun 10 years ago, but nobody really pays any attention anymore.

    But here is a new one, I am sure you already have all the answers for.

    Conspiracy Theories In Turkish Print Media, Social Media Connect Jamal Khashoggi's Murder To 'Satanist Network,' Jews, Rothschilds, Rockefellers, CIA, Evangelical Christians
     
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    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    Yet you're here trolling these threads 24/7, you must be the nobody you're referring to.
     
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    yasureoktoo Well-Known Member

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    LOLOL

    It's been quite a while since I posted on here, waste of time.
    Unlike you, I have a real life.

    But you are the one here 24/7, monitoring who is here.
     
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    yasureoktoo Well-Known Member

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    LOLOOL what a friggin troll.
    Look at the last time I posted on your stupid thread.
    I go to others that have a bit of wisdom and serious thought.
     
  20. Scott

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    Don't the pro-official version posters have a rebuttal to this?
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/what-truthers-believe.532027/page-19#post-1069781105

    I thought they had some sophistry prepared for every major point that the truthers had.

    This is some major evidence and it's pretty hard to obfuscate. If you keep avoiding this, it will look like you know it's too clear to obfuscate and you're trying to bury it. Sincere objective truth-seekers don't get checkmated; they modify their stands when shown to be wrong. Your behavior here is that of checkmated sophists.
     
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    I've always been curious about those small round flashes directly in front of the nose of both planes 1/2 second before impact into the twin towers.
     
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    So I'm still waiting for you to point out all these "lies" I'm "repeating" from these mythical "fraudulent cult heroes" of mine. And to show how they're all lies. Gamo tried his best to help you out but fell on his face and seems to have quit (so far). But really since you made the accusation the burden of proof is on YOU.

    Yet you can't show anything I've made up or even describe my alleged "agenda". It seems it's you who makes up **** to further your agenda and that I can describe to you quite explicitly. It's to promote and defend the OCT nearly 24/7 and part of that tactic is to ridicule any poster who doesn't buy it and/or contradicts it, employing the silly term "troofer" as often as possible. What makes your agenda even more obvious is that I've never seen any posts from you in any other section of this forum.
     
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    A flash is quite visible here at the 2:04 time mark.

    Flashes Before the Planes Hit the World Trade Center.



    It looks like something was fired into the building just before impact.

    Hey Shinebox... Now that you're here, please comment on this. I'm presenting this as proof that there were no passengers or hijackers.
     
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    I would love to see any pictures you might have of any small round flash in front of the aircraft that struck the North Tower.

    Yes, it's clear at the South Tower, but I suspect you slightly misspoke regarding such a phenomenon at the North Tower.
     
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    It happened at both towers. Start watching the above video at the 00:45 time mark.
     
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