What Truthers Believe

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  1. Bob0627

    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    Psychologists also describe the group thinker cognitive dissonant types, you know, the ones that describe people such as you to a tee. But I don't like to generalize, I think you're just another OCT worshipper for whatever reason only known to you. There are many just like you, from the illiterate to the mediocre to the more intelligent who obviously have an agenda (I won't name names to avoid rule violations but the style and contents of your posts reveal where you are).
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    You can thank your AIPAC influenced government including NIST, and the mainstream media for those absurd conspiracy Jake. Their conspiracy theory, as enunciated by NIST, claims that the damage observed there was caused by burning office fires and gravity. You're welcome.
     
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    Why do you believe that, Eleuthera?
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Because all the available facts and evidence show that. Much has been learned in the last 17 years, and all of it contradicts the official tale regarding the predicate act for our war on terror.
     
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    We don't have a war on terror, that fake war belongs to the US government and those who believe in such propaganda as a pretext to commit genocide and other human rights atrocities.
     
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    What facts and evidences are those, Eleuthera?
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    The wrong airplanes at WTC, no airplanes at pentagon or PA countryside. Huge effort at coverup by the government, including the heads of the commission noting they were set up to fail. 60+ statements by that commission that "we found no evidence".

    Israeli involvement as detailed by Christopher Bollyn in 17 years worth of research and articles, including Transtech Control Ltd and issues such as Ptech.

    Statements by Bibi and the fraud of the commission.
     
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    Those are your beliefs, Eleuthera, not the facts or evidences, which are quite different from what you believe.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    No sir, those are the facts according to the official story, which you still support.

    The facts are that no Boeing stuck the pentagon.
     
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    No, those are your mistaken interpretations, which do not coincide with the facts.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Let's put the shoe on the other foot Jake, if we may. Why do you think AA77 struck the pentagon? What facts support that claim?

    And to be more complete, why did the heads of the commission state they had been set up to fail? Why did Senator Mark Dayton, after reading the commission report in August 2004, say that NORAD had significantly contradictory statements?
     
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    All of the facts, investigations, and reports are out there.

    You disagree. Why?
     
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    I have you watched the Coste vids yet?

    why do you constantly take the "set up to fail" so out of context? ...
     
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    If that is directed to me, keep in mind that the government investigation clearly stated several times that the commission was set up to fail. If you didn't know that, and if you are unable to draw conclusions from that, we're wasting time and keystrokes here. At least I am.

    More than 60 times that commission stated "we found no evidence" for one claim or the other in the official story. If you were not aware of that, I can understand. If you draw no conclusions from that statement, I'm wasting time and key strokes.

    The FACTS are that there was no airliner at Shanksville, and no airliner at the pentagon. The facts are that the damage observed at WTC could not possibly have been caused by office fires and gravity. Sorry to burst your bubble, but you need to inform yourself.
     
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    That's a lie that's already been explained to you numerous times. You have to take things out of context and cherry pick to try and push your crap claims and ideals.
     
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    I have to disagree with the above opinion. For me the facts are the official story does not prove their claims at all 3 locations since there was never any legitimate official investigation into 9/11. What the facts show is that the official claims are highly dubious at best but proof requires a lot more and we should not be reversing the burden of proof, that is not a reasonable approach. I do agree with the rest of your post though, the 9/11 Commission Report is loaded with key disclaimers as are the NIST reports and the events of 9/11 could not possibly have caused the total destruction of the 3 towers in a matter of seconds for many reasons.
     
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    Describe it as you like Bob. There was no airliner at either Shanksville or at the pentagon. Claims that there were cannot be proved, and common sense, or shall I say informed common sense with an aviation background, show the facts to be an absence of Boeings in both locations.

    An annual repetition of false statements by the media do not change the facts. They will claim there was an investigation, but you and I and many thousands of others know better.
     
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    They were holograms, made by extraterrestrials.
    Everyone knows that.
     
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    Tell me what the quote below from the commission report has to do with your insistence that the statement "we found no evidence" appearing 60 times is of some great importance to someone for determining the "OCT " to be a big lie.
    Or maybe this one.
     
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    The problem is they all use the "conclusions" from these non-investigations as fact. There was some very limited MSM criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report but it's been all swept under the rug. The MSM continues to spout the OCT as fact and the US government continues its genocidal carnage under pretext of 9/11 with the backing of the MSM.
     
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    And troofers use non-conclusions as fact, for whatever they can invent.
     
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    Why do you think what you do, Eleuthra? Who is behind the scam?
     
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    The Bush administration OBVIOUSLY. They did nothing to prevent 9/11, tried to block any investigation, did what they could to corrupt the investigations once they were back into it, made sure to classify huge amounts of evidence/documents and promoted every key player who failed on 9/11. What else do you need to know about the scam? The details?

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...mission-scam-exposed-in-all-its-glory.495859/
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/the-nist-9-11-scam-exposed-in-all-its-glory.458597/
     
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    It's very possible it was heard about in "Chatter".
    Like 200 other things going on, at any given time.
    But nobody knew when, and where.
    Even most of the people involved, the hijackers, Didn't know the full extent.
     
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