What would happen if we didn't have foreigners to pick crops? A look at Japan

All illusionary (as illustrated by Assange). Take your libertarians. Over here a libertarian is an anarchist. Over there he is a conservative fed comfort words by big business.

 

Ok, Assange is the one exception, I'll grant you that. But you are the ones who have been holding him right now, something to think about.

 

No, he's a visible example of how freedom is merely a pacifying word in the US. Take your prison population. Note its size, with no developed country competing. Note also its racial characteristics. Note how you even legitimise racial orientated state murder.

 

The UK has already sentenced him to one year, for doing nothing, for turning himself in and then trying to escape when he had reason to fear he could get forcefully sent to the US, and on top of that the UK has still been holding him, for longer than that, while they consider sending him off to the US.

Is this really such a great example of how freedoms are worse in the US than the UK?

 

The UK has caved in to US pressure. I never said Britain was 'more free'. Indeed, I've repeatedly said that Britain and the US are peas in a pod. Its amusing, mind you, how Americans have convinced themselves otherwise.

 

Most likely yes, but we don't have proof of that. The UK could still be standing up for justice in this case, if they were determined to be, but they're not.

 

You're rambling. Perhaps you think I'm a petty nationalist trying for an inane 'my country is better than yours'. I'm not. Crikey, both America and the UK voted in cretins. You couldn't get a more obvious realisation how they share a lack of democratic control.

 

Do you realize that if America had voted in the other "cretins", on the other side of the political aisle, due to how the shifting politics have unfolded, Assange would be in even deeper water than he is right now?

 

More ramble. I've never supported the Dems. Indeed, both the failures of Sanders and Corbyn demonstrate how there is no effective progressive movement in either country. The Demcrats and Labour are both status quo parties. Those involved don't see how destructive that is. In the UK, Blair lost Labour 5 million votes. In the US, even a silver spooned idiot looked a more attractive proposition than financial luvvie hawkish Clinton.

 

~ Seems like jolly old England has more in common with communist China than USA or Canada - for now .

 

I love this type of comment. It neatly advertises why Americans are so easily manipulated.

 

When you are dealing with 325 million people, who knows how many businesses(?), along with the complexities of the moment, and the responsibility for implementation is a 'government' entity, there is no possible way to have 100% efficiency of anything. Most all of the stuff you mention above IMO can never be fully qualified and quantified. From the top on down, in political systems, there will always be people who will take more than they deserve. But FIRST and foremost the critical action to take is to make sure 'most' people are getting the assistance they need...this is critical! If government believes there's some fraud or monkey-business it can be reviewed and mitigated later.

We support and volunteer with a local food pantry and in normal times the local food pantries were assisting 80,000 people per month in a county with a population of 400K. Today the demand is 2-3 times as much! Homelessness is at an all-time high. A huge percentage of the population cannot afford medical and mental health care. Government and it's citizenry has a choice; they can either help mitigate these issues or just ignore them. IMO when society ignores them, the effects and costs are actually doubled compared to doing something proactive. Anyone who believes all of these issues will magically disappear, or that government can demand all humans perform at higher levels, is in la-la-land...

 

And this entire thread is a testament to the impact advancing AI is going to have on mankind.
When humans are no longer needed for trivial tasks.

Already AI has displaced millions on assembly lines and now we're watching the dawn of AI replacing humans driving vehicles. This will be YUGE I tell you.

https://www.visier.com/clarity/global-labor-trends-driving-robot-takeover/

 

So, avoid his statement......or provide a reasonable rebuttal.
The facts support his statement, not yours.

A free press? I’m a UK journalist, but the police labelled me an extremist
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...s-uk-journalist-police-extremist-legal-action

Why Is London Imposing ‘Knife Control’? Because Gun Control Hasn’t Worked
https://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/...nife-control-because-gun-control-hasnt-worked

 

What on earth are you rambling on about? First, we know that the media is problematic in the UK. That reflects oligarchic billionaire owners. Second, the UK continues to have low murder rates. Gun control is a red herring as gun ownership was always low. Hoplophiling isn't really a Brit thing.

 

Lies. Don't feign confusion.
It irritates me when people are disingenuous.

BBC

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7056245.stm

Sneaky and underhanded reply.
Did you see the link I provided?
Having a low murder rate is different than "reporting" a low murder rate.
The UK is known to suppress crime information. In fact, it's illegal without approval I believe in the UK.

Our 2nd amendment isn't about murder.
It's about empowering The PEOPLE over government.

Like most western nations, the UK has become a cesspool FULL of criminal activity and hatred (acid attacks, knife attacks and vehicular homicides).
The USA has many times more people.

The lack of personal ownership of firearms only guarantees your population is far more susceptible to tyranny.
This isn't me saying this....HISTORY proves it.

 

Hahahahaha! I didn't realise you were over a 100 years ago and think its still relevant. Sorry

You're fibbing now. The problem with Britain is that its 'official figures' cannot be used for time series analysis. We know, for example, that definitions change. We also know that some police forces would include false claims, others wouldn't. We also know, via econometric analysis, that crime reporting is actually dependent on the business cycle. For these reasons, it was also better to use the British Crime Survey. Its the choice of criminologists.

None of this reflects murder mind you. That data is fine. The only issue is that figures are included when the murderer is found guilty (e.g. see the impact of Shipman on the data)

Mote inane ramble. An American is more likely to use their gun against their family than in their defence.

 

Short version....
The entire West is slowly becoming more like Communist China.....including the UK

 

Hoplophobic much?

 

Just a reference to the empirical evidence.

 

List your source please.
Never mind. Looked it up myself.
This is a deceptive set of bogus arguments concocted by gun grabbers utilizing sleight of hand.

Suicides make up the vast majority of these twisted numbers. Suicides do NOT count as murder. Domestic violence is next but is a small number compared to the uses of a firearm in defense situations at home.

The whole delusional concept is exposed here....
https://www.quora.com/Am-I-more-lik...-family-member-with-a-gun-in-my-house?share=1

What is conveniently omitted is the HUGE and overwhelming number of people who ward off criminals because they do have a firearm.

Smoke and mirrors garbage spewed by hard core gun grabbers is all it is.

If you are a lawful and law abiding gun owner, what you should get from this is that the persistent, concerted effort to take your firearms away will never end until they succeed. it has ZERO to do with safety and EVERYTHING to do with removing power from citizens and placing into the hands of a few.

Compare the VERY small number of lives lost in mass shootings and the weeks if not months of media coverage over a dozen of deaths or less, to the nearly non existence of media coverage of the 250,000 deaths involving drug abuse over the same time period.

12 Gun deaths are far more important than 250,000 drug abuse deaths.

 

Here's an example: Azrael and Hemenway, 2000, In the safety of your own home: results from a national survey on gun use at home, Social Science & Medicine, Vol 50, pp 285-291

 

Can we try to stay on topic please?

 

Chortle, chortle, BHU2 is only referring to the topic that you yourself introduced.

 

Europeans for the most part. Some black-Africans but not many.

The Europeans come in from the eastern-EU countries to "pick the crops' that are pickable. Such as grapes, apples, etc.

The other "crops" such as wheat and potatoes are "croped" by very effective machines pulled by tractors. The spring crop of wheat outside my door will likely be gathered in a month or two. France is incomparable with the US because the latter has the Great Plains under-plow. France is still a small place comparably and the number of farms is very large - having been handed down through the centuries. A farmhouse up the road from me is from the 16th-century.

Very different from the US - and as a result France sells most of its produce to the rest of Europe and a good deal of flour to China. Largely because it has the largest production of wheat of any European country. With France coming out of lock-down, the farms are kicking-in with the crops they planted in February/March. (These people live alone on farms so they had no problem "getting out and about" to plant their crops.)

Different strokes for different folks. Europe has no Great Plains but it does have a consolidated group of countries that buy the crops and in turn resells them to national distributors who sell them to supermarket chains.

Just like anywhere else in the world ...