What would you classify my political beliefs as in the modern era:

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  1. Capitalism

    Capitalism Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I've been seeing a lot on the news lately about white supremacist constantly being called Nazi's,and I don't really understand where this association of white supremacy and Nazism come into play. I'm a true bred Nazi, raised by a member of the 3rd Reich, but im not an anti-Semite, or anti-any race. I'm anti-problem causers. Criminals, violent dick heads, religious fanatics, etc.

    I believe in the country first (Not the Government), Your family second, and your fellow countrymen 3rd. Race doesn't bother me, anyone willing to pick up a rifle, build a bridge, help a fellow countrymen etc should be afforded their respect.

    I believe the currency should be federalized by a small government, the election cycle for the government being on a yearly rotation based on the people's desires and reactions. The constitution/BoR should remain as is.

    I believe a police force is only as effective as its citizens allow it to be, and we moved away from the idea of locals knowing the cops and helping them solve the real crimes that need to be solved. The police force needs reduced, and the civilians need to rely more on themselves in a time of emergency.

    I believe everyone should have 3 firearms, a Rifle for food, a rifle for war, and a shotgun for home defense. I received mine at 6 years old but I don't believe everyone can handle that responsibility. I had already been cleaning rifles and and semi-Automatic German handguns for 2 years by that point.

    (I was 5 or 6and watched one of my best friends and cousin get a broken shin because he accidentally pointed a gun at my grandfather, all I seen was the butt of a K98 turn his shin to jelly *THUD* *Screach*, *Heavily Accented, Very calm* "What was the lesson there?".)

    I believe nature shouldn't be destroyed for infrastructure, manufacturing, or the gathering of resources, instead you should work to integrate nature into the design of he system. Similar to the concept of the Autobahn.

    I believe unemployment can and should be eradicated. Everybody should have a use, it's better for the person and the country. Just because someone is crippled or crazy doesn't mean their isn't a use for them.

    I believe in funding the best scientific minds, no matter their geographic location or skin color, and bringing them to the US, or helping them advance up US society in a manner that will drastically increase scientific discoveries and research.

    I believe in a more efficient criminal and judicial systems, thieves should lose a finger on the first offense, a hand on the second, and the opposite arm on the 3rd, Murderers should be put to death instantly, pedophiles executed (By parent is optional), rapist should be clipped into a neutral sex, etc. I don't believe in making money off of your fellow man suffering in prisons, which is why I don't believe in prisons, i believe in actual justice. Prisons should be eradicated, and once a man has paid a debt their should be nothing more to say about his past. I don't believe in criminal records whatsoever.

    Don't really understand why black Americans have the right to say anything bad about the Nazi's, Hitler didn't snub your Olympic athletes, your president did. Jesse Owens himself attested to that. Hitler treated all of the black Americans in Germany as nice as he treated the other white competetors, they didn't have to use the back door to hotels and whatnot. How was that in America at the time?

    Again, what would you call this sort of political thought process.
     
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  2. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You do not list political positions that allow for or fit any mainstream political label.

    The best I can come up with would be Liberal Anarchist, but many of you positions do not fit that either.
     
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  3. ESTT

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    I understand the difficulty. I have not found any group or individual who shares my views either. I am against hate speech for certain groups (I may mention which specific ones later, as that includes specific subcultures) pro irreligion, pro LGBT, pro capitalism, pro military, a "secular Western nationalist", and
    anti communism, anti racism, anti sexism just to name a few vague aspects of my ideology.
     
  4. Ritter

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    Just take the political compass.
     
  5. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A couple of your ideas are impractical or unworkable but I would classify you as a classical liberal, like the constitution framers.
     
  6. ESTT

    ESTT Well-Known Member

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    It isn't that easy though. I've tried a few versions and they always place me in various spots. Though what I find more difficult is trying to meet others with the same views.
     
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    Piliticalcompass.com is a great tool since it not only focus on the traditional, horizontal, economic line of left/right, but also focus on a vertical line of authority/liberty. I suggest you take it again and post it in here. Because how you describe your views does not say much at all.
     
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    You're right Ritter. I wasn't complaining about the website itself. It is very efficient. If anything the problem is me. That my own views possibly cause Political Compass and other various websites to be "confused". I will post my results here soon.
     
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  9. JakeStarkey

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    OP is not liberal anarchist, imo, but more mussolini fascist.
     
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    I am not sure how to post an image, but here are the numbers from my results:
    Economic Left/Right: 1.38
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 2.46
     
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    Authoritarian, Fascism, Nationalism

    Hardcare extreme nationalism usually leads to enthnic or nationalist purges and purges can lead to geonocide even if intentions were not violent.
     
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    My economic scale might be fine, but I'm not so sure about the Social Libertarian/Authoritarian scale. It seems far too low.
     
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    I posted my results. While the scale they use may be good for "mainstream" politics, I still don't feel certain it accurately reflects my views. Is there any chance you know of what political groups or parties fall into the same catagory as the Political Compass placed me in?
     
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    Thank you very much, JakeStarkey. I appreciate this. Actually, it also helps me see what might be part of the issue with how politics are judged today. The Political Compass is a good model, but I feel it's questions should be more specific. My rating placed me just left and barely above where you see the U.S. President, Obama. To me that feels "off", because I think it is safe to assume he would not approve of keeping Guantanamo Bay open, torturing terrorists, lowering taxes, purging the country of it's religious, racist, sexist and homophobic citizens, restricting immigration, increasing the nuclear stockpile, and censoring opposing ideologies. To name a few points.

    Essentially, I feel the test has a good set of statements to agree or disagree on, but does not include the opportunity to provide sufficient information as to what my views are towards ideological opposition. For example, one statement read "Sex outside marriage is usually immoral". I selected "Strongly Disagree". Though the Political Compass test may not be designed to take into account that not only do I strongly disagree, but I would prefer for opposition to my viewpoint be suppressed by any means necessary. In other words, "Strongly Disagree" may count towards the Social Libertarian score, but the test does not factor in the Social Authoritarian score from my views towards anyone who would select "Strongly Agree".
     
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    @ESTT the PC is merely a 'guide' to a 'range'.

    The true problem is that most people do not understand the left right economic range and the top down authoritarian libertarian range, and where they fit on it.

    Obama is a bit authoritarian because he is a government official, for heaven's sake.

    And is right of center economically, while the American far right generally right of Bush and Friedman. That makes them think the center is communistic or socialistic or something.
     
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    I believe I see what you're saying. To give an example, the vast majority of conservative Americans have no problem with a boy picking up his girlfriend for prom. But to a Saudi Arabian, the thought of an unmarried girl that isn't being supervised going with a boy to an event where they will dance together and likely even kiss, would be seen as extremely liberal.

    Also, that makes sense if the Political Compass shows a general range.
     

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