What would you do...

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  1. Vegas giants

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    Heller is a SCOTUS opinion....not a list of natural rights
     
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    It sounds like you're saying that you don't think you have a right to defend yourself from an attacker.
     
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    In fact it never says natural right though you may assume constitutional right created by the government
     
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    I have a constitutional right to do so
     
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    No, it just confirms our right of self defense by firearm. You know this, quit playing coy.
     
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    So if you lived in 1700, you don't think your would have a right to defend yourself from an attacker?
     
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    Your constitutional right.....not natural right.....there are no natural rights
     
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    I believe that was also a right as a british citizen
     
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    And if you were a neolithic hunter-gatherer would you have a right to defend yourself from an attacker?
     
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    Rights do not exist outside of a government. You can do whatever you can get away with
     
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    You wouldn't feel as if you had a right to defend yourself from an attacker?
     
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    Where is the right to defend yourself from an attacker listed in the constitution?
     
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    I do have that right currently
     
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    9th amendment....and confirmed in Heller
     
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    That's not what I asked.

    If you were a neolithic hunter-gatherer would feel that you have a right to defend yourself from an attacker?
     
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    9th amendment.
     
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    I wouldn't know what the word right means. That came much later. LOL
     
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    Not as a natural right but as a constitutional one. You made my case. LOL
     
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    I'll leave that judgement to the other readers. Have a nice day.
     
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    You too. This was easy!
     
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    So before the formation of our government, did man not have the unencubered ability to speak freely and worship as he wished, something endowed by nature?
     
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    He could speak as he chose ....unless his neighbor did not like it and told him to shut up or he would kill him. LOL
     
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    His neighbor was not the government that created a system to kill him.
    Our fathers saw government abuse of these natural abilities when across the pond and then created a document limiting government powers so these abuses would not happen in the new government.

    Our fathers deemed these abilities as natural rights.
    The concept of government afforded rights are known as human rights.
    There is a difference.
     
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    Well that is your opinion. There are no natural rights. All rights are created by government
     
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    It’s not my opinion. It’s the opinion of the founders of the people who created the country.
    You are in the minority in your belief.
    Google natural vs human rights. I find no one that believes the same as you.
    There might be some leftist political extremismist somewhere on the internet that can make you feel justified, but I think it’s rare.
     
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