What's missing in Trump's plan is defeating the BELIEF that drives our enemy

More imperialistic military occupation of far-away lands that serve to inflame the people of that nation, more drone strikes that end up killing innocent civilians (causing even more terrorists in an endless cycle), more trillions of your hard-earned tax dollars going to fight terrorists in an endless war who are following the directions of a pedophile - that's his plan!? Obviously we also need to take on their underlying ideology (Islam and faith), as well. How hard can it be to work to discredit a guy (Mohammad) who believed that a magic invisible genie (a "jinn") could be living in your nose right now (or a "god" that would PICK such a person as his #1 role model)? Come on, guys! Our Vietnam intervention didn’t work, and neither will Afghanistan's.

Question: what's the best way to defeat the underlying ideology/fairy-tale that drives our sworn enemy in this longest of all US wars (with no end in sight)?

Me, I'd think discrediting what the underlying cause of this war is (Allah, Mohammad, and faith), would be a start. Our children deserve for this war to END. The fact that discrediting Islam will also mean discrediting the messiah in Islam (Jesus, aka "Isa"), will likely mean that Christians will stand in the way of us winning this war, however. I blame faith.

Your opinion?

 

Islam is also was drives our allies in Afghanistan. Attacking Islam will do nothing but make more enemies.

 

After 16 long years of failure after failure in reducing the world-wide number of Islamic Jihad attacks, it's obvious that our "bomb the crap out of them" strategy is NOT WORKING! You can't KILL yourself out of a terrorist war! People want to ignore the 900 pound gorilla in the room (faith, and the 160+ verses in the Qur'an that extol Jihad holy war.) Our children deserve a permanent solution to this endless war - we are handing them an endless war - which would make us the worst generation of Americans ever. The "greatest generation" defeated their enemy, but our enemy only seems to get stronger. But we are in a terrorist war, so bombs won't win it - ideology will win it. It's finally time to wake up to the dangers of faith.
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Our allies' acceptance of Islam only serves (at least indirectly,) to EMPOWER our enemy. They all have the same Qur'an.

 

Endless war is not acceptable. We need a solution that ends the war, and bombs obviously have failed to do that in the longest war in US history (with no end in sight)! Neither Republican nor Democrat presidents have been able to end this war, so clearly a political or military solution is not going to work - we are stuck in an endless religious war, just like the Israelis/Palestinians are. Religion/belief is the key here. When they shout the name of their god - "Allahu [Ackbar"] when they kill you, then you know we are in a religious war.

 

So you believe alienating and insulting our allies will make them help us more?

 

And how does insulting the religion of our allies cause the war to end more quickly?

 

So you want to turn our allies into our enemies and give us more people to fight?

 

Our "allies" are not really "allies", as they provide cover for the ideology that drives our enemy....JIHAD! Or show us the millions of Muslims who will condemn the terrorist's #1 role model who boasted "I have been made victorious through terror", and then at least we'll be able to start winning this war. Our "allies" and our enemy have the very same #1 role model (the founder of Jihad, and his invisible friend in the sky.)

 

You want to placate Mohammad/Allah.....that' won't work in the long run.
If our "allies" are REALLY our allies, then they will have no problem as we try to discredit the 160+ verses in the Qur'an that extol the faithful to wage Jihad against us non-believers. If they were really our "allies" then they would already have apologized to us for those verses - "we're sorry that our book has caused so many of you non-believers to die".

 

Relying on those with the same ideology as our enemy is a deadly mistake.

 

Really? The hundreds of thousands of Afghanis who have helped us fight the Taliban and Al Qaeda aren't our allies?

You would prefer they fight on the side of AQ?

 

Except that's also their religion.

Pray tell, would you work with someone who spent all their time telling you that secular humanism was responsible for killing million in communist countries?

 

Part of the problem is people like you - can you condemn Mohammad for boasting "I have been made victorious through terror" (which of course gives approval to Jihadists to become terrorists)? If not, the please realize that YOU are part of the problem in this endless war. When they get nukes (and Pakistan already has DOZENS), then Islam will make N. Korea look like a cuddly like kitten by comparison.

 

Right, so how many nuclear attacks has Pakistan launched?

 

But I'm a Modern Secular Humanist, we condemn totalitarian political systems fully, so I'd have no problem with it. Stop trying to effectively run interference for Mohammad/Jihad/Qur'an!

 

That logic just might get us killed.

 

I changed my religion, and so can they.

 

But that's impossible! There can't possibly be different kinds of Secular Humanists! All secular humanists have to believe the exact same things.

Therefore you are just as evil as the communists who murdered millions.

Want to work with me now? I'm going to repeat my statements as naseum to you regardless of your attempts to correct me.

Will you make an effective ally of mine?

 

You claimed that once "Islam" gets nukes that they'll be worse than North Korea.

Well "Islam" has had nukes for a couple decades now. If your claim is true you should be able to provide evidence to support it.

Or you can admit the claim is false.

 

Do we all have the same book, i.e. do we all have the same Qur'an?

 

Why should hey have to?

Your current religion is responsible for the death of millions under communism.

 

Do all Muslims interpret the Quran the same way?

 

Yes, if the Pakistanis remove Q8:39 from their Qur'an then I would retract that statement - because in Q8:39 their god commands them to kill us until we are all Muslims:
"And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world]......" (Mohsin Khan)

Mohammad taught for Muslims to fight your mother until she's a Muslim - can you condemn Mohammad/Allah for that, Questerr?

 

They don't have to - only ENOUGH of them need to approve of Jihad for Islam to be a clear and present danger to the world.
Stop trying to defend the 160+ jihad verses in the Qur'an.