When Chauvin is acquitted...

No it it is not.

Only the left wing is demanding and outcome based on false cultural ideology and threatening to riot if they do not get their way

 

Lotta hilarious armchair quarterbacking going on, maybe go to a school and learn it. Like this one;

 

The "Track Record"?

We haven't seen honest answers or acknowledgement of facts from the left since the beginning of the Obama years. Now we don't believe they are too dense or stupid to see and know- just so devoid of character and so arrogant they can't respect anything but their own self-serving opinion, which is always designed to demean others. Sign of personal weakness and insecurity. THAT is the track record that should concern you. This failure of functionality and comprehension of the left-leaning ideologies- liberals, progressives, socialists- surpasses anything I've ever seen in my life, and I remember Sen. Joseph McCarthy trying to label everyone who opposed his views a commie. Your guys are putting in him in the shade, and you don't see anything wrong. That's downright scary, demonstrates that the distortion of fundamental values has no limit for some.

IF you actually listened, then you would have to dismiss a great deal of the evidence to get to where you seem to be.I don't think you do that. I think you watch or hear with a filter that sifts out just what you want o believe and tell yourself you've "seen" and "heard" things. I'm not surprised at that, I expect it now. It's pitiful, but expected.

 

Horses***. I know exactly what I was taught. You telling other people what THEY KNOW is pretty laughable, all because you refuse to acknowledge that you have no idea what you're talking about. But please don't let that stop you from knowing the unknowable.

But pretend you didn't see the video that clearly shows the technique working just fine.

 

Actually, according to the testimony made by the police chief of Minneapolis, Chauvin's actions went against department policy and training procedure




Also, medical support coordinator for the Minneapolis Police Department Nicole Mackenzie testified that MPD officers (including Chauvin) are trained to give CPR immediately after someone in their custody shows no pulse. The police body cam footage reveals that the officers acknowledged that Floyd was showing no pulse, yet still did not provide any CPR or any immediate medical assistance, and instead maintained their restraint on Floyd's body.

The officers on the scene maintained their restraint well after Floyd became unresponsive, well after he stopped breathing, and well after he showed no pulse. In the words of the Department's police chief "That is, in no way, shape or form, by policy, is not part of our training, and is certainly not part of our ethics and our values"

 

He is lying and it was part of their training.

https://www.kare11.com/article/news...floyd/89-9f002e3f-972a-4410-86cb-50a1237fc496

https://www.insider.com/minneapolis-police-trained-to-use-neck-restraint-george-floyd-2020-7

https://www.mncourts.gov/mncourtsgo...ses/27-CR-20-12951-TKL/Exhibit67807072020.pdf

The chief was making an appeal to the mob and nothing more.

 

Uhh.. no, it definitely is not a part of their training. When a suspect falls unconscious the officers are supposed to roll the individual over on their side and make sure their breathing is unrestricted. When a suspect shows no pulse, officers are supposed to administer CPR immediately. They are not supposed to maintain restraint on the body and neck in this situation

Every testimony from the department itself has been unanimous on this

 

Yes it is part of their training as the links I posted PROVE

 

The devil is in the details.

Floyd's heart was bigger for his body size = heart disease, meaning adreneline would require his heart to pump more blood but was unable to.
To me, it says that his heart condition contributed to the death.

that fact doesn't exonerate Chauvin though, because of the 'but for' premise. 'But for knees on neck and back in prone position, Floyd would still be alive'.

 

Where in your links does it say cops should continue to kneel on the neck of a handcuffed person who is unconscious?

 

According to you it is a part of their training, but according to the police department it is not a part of their training. I think the source of your confusion is in relation to whether or not such methods are used to restrain a suspect. The methods used in the video are most definitely methods used by police officers to restrain a suspect, however as the testimony of the police chief explains, officers are supposed to relieve stress from the body once the suspect is already restrained, and especially when there is an ongoing medical emergency.

It is important to note that the officers maintained their restraint after Floyd was showing critical signs of stress. Again, when a suspect falls unconscious the officers are supposed to reposition the individual to their side and make sure their breathing is not being restricted. The officers maintained pressure on Floyd's body and neck well after he was unresponsive.. well after he fell unconscious.. and well after he showed no pulse. This conduct is in no way shape or form how officers are trained to handle the situation. Such claims are either dishonest or ignorant

 

Wrong.

Igt is not according to me ist is according to their previosuly published training materials which I linked to

It is and was part of their training and that is an absolute fract

 

Where in your links does it say cops should continue to kneel on the neck of ahandcuffed person who is unconscious?

 

Even the source you provided includes an image of the recovery position suspects are supposed to be positioned in when they lose consciousness. Officers are supposed to reposition the individual and make sure their breathing is not restricted





Again, this isn't a matter of whether police officers use such force to retrain a suspect, but whether or not they are trained to maintain such restraint when a suspect falls unconscious, and loses any sign of a pulse. They absolutely are not trained to maintain said restraint in that situation. I can't tell if you are making your claims out of misapprehension or obtuseness, but you are clearly wrong here

 

This has been explained to him ad nauseam. At this point it has to be obtuseness.

 

Why don't you point out where he lied in that video?

 

Oops.




Looks like 3 vids of officers using the technique you seem to pretend isn’t used. In 4 of the vids I posted no one died, because they weren’t having heart failure.

 

From what I can tell, as a laymen, George Floyd was going to die anyhow, but the technique the officer used didn't help any.

I do hope he gets a fair trial, that the jury goes by the letter of the law, without fear. Then, I hope, whatever they rule, that they get the hell out of Dodge.

 

he overdosed on fentanyl and disobeyed orders

officers cannot accommodate drug addicts.

 

Do you even bother to watch the videos you post? The first video the officer checks on the health of the captive and they held him down to put handcuffs on him. In the other two videos the officers are under investigation for carrying out illegal moves. In the third video he was held down for a few seconds before being taken to the patrol car. Nice own goal from you

 

Your stance on police responsibility and accountability.

HOW TF would YOU know what I've heard?

UGGA DUH, that's what he's getting...

Then YOU have NOT been watching the trial.

So what? YOU are NOT the expert.

Besides you just said most of the witnesses were not expert witnesses.....can't make up your mind?

You should have paid more attention to what the EXPERTS said....BTW, they all had better credentials than YOU have.

I watched the trial, five high ranking police officials said it was not approved.

...and that wouldn't be justice why????

YUP, they are supposed to be the experts in control of the situation.

Yet just a year ago you attended a graduation for advanced law enforcement (?????)

They graduated just to quit ? Really???

Why do you continually bring up law officers quitting? Is it because they don't want the scrutiny? They don't want to be questioned about their actions?

YOU bring it up but have NEVER said WHY they are quitting.

...and please provide some proof of this massive amount of police officers quitting...

 

Because the defense has not started.

Most of the witnesses were observers.

The suspect starts resisting. Law enforcement cannot change that.

It was an item of discussion.

I have brought it up a number of times. If that does not satisfy you, just try a google search.

Police officers across the US have quit their jobs in recent days. Here is where there have been resignations - CNN

 

Things that go against "policy" are not necessarily against the law. Breaking policy procedure is cause to be fired, but not necessarily a crime. Same with unethical; many things that are unethical to many are not against the law. Hopefully, the jurors go according to law.

 

They did question the expert witnesses and witnesses.

Some were and some were experts (those people you don't trust for some odd reason

No, but they ARE supposed to be the experts handling the situation (experts that you don't ever want doubted even though you doubt other experts)

Uhhh, how does that explain They graduated just to quit ?

NO, you have NOT said why they were quitting...you could have right here IF you knew.

Oh , gosh, I want to hear what ALL those many police officers told YOU personally ...like you claimed...

 

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Uh, we all are.

That doesn't give anyone the right to hurry it along