When The Russian Hoax Is Exposed, Should The Democrats Be Held Accountable?

So you agree that there was no conclusion that listed "17 intelligence agencies." Then what are we arguing about? You finally admit that you've spent almost a year being wrong, and I was right.

Thank you!


If you are referring to something different than the United States Intelligence Community then please spell out what point you were trying to make.

 

No one in this thread ever said anything about the agencies being listed, that is your own misinterpretation. What was said is that the the Director spoke on behalf of the USIC

Since the USIC is literally a federation of different intelligence 17 agencies, the Director was speaking on behalf said agencies. You can deny it all you want, but its true.. and putting words in my mouth won't validate your claim that it is not true

 

And if the Special Council uncovers specific misdeeds, Should Republicans be indicted for conspiracy to obstruct justice?

 

Every news station that ever wrote an article about it or suggested it existed should all apologize in unison and admit they were ****ing morons. Then hang their heads in shame, realizing they did MORE damage than a few Russia hackers might have done, creating some stupid Facebook memes.

 

As soon as the DNC is disbanded for corrupting and fixing their primaries, undermining our entire democratic election process....deal?

 

Here's a little history about Democrats that they would like to wipe away and it happened again in the 2016 race. William 'Boss' Tweed was a New York Democratic Party leader. This time Democrats led by Obama and the Clinton's attempt to do the same on a National basis. Yet to date no one in the Federal government has attempted to do so. Undoubtedly Tweed created the Democratic Party corrupt system . Along came the Clinton's and Obama to bring it to modern day Democratic Party corrupt politics.

Boss Tweed's Flight from Justice - History in the Headlines
https://www.history.com/news/boss-tweeds-flight-from-justice
Dec 3, 2015 - The Tammany Hall leader had been sentenced to jail on charges of fraud, but before then he spent years rigging elections and skimming millions of dollars from New York City's public coffers. ... Tweed and Hunt spent several days camping in the Everglades before catching a fishing boat to Cuba. A demoralized Tweed after recapture would later agree to confess his crimes in exchange for a chance at freedom. The aging politician was widely praised for his mea culpa.

 

So what you are saying is that when you said, "We have 17 different intelligence agencies who are saying that Russia was attempting to interfere with our elections" that you were wrong. That's all I'm saying, that you were wrong.

 

No, that's what you are saying. Keep in mind, you're the same person who has repeatedly misinterpreted my posts about the Director of National Intelligence speaking on behalf of 17 agencies into meaning things like:

17 separate investigations being conducted (which no one in this thread ever claimed)
17 separate conclusions being made (which no one in this thread ever claimed)
17 separate agencies being listed (which no one in this thread ever claimed)
and then of course, denying that the USIC is a federation, and calling it very "internet worthy" to call them a federation, before of course being shown that the USIC themselves define themselves as a federation of 17 different agencies.

It was already elaborated on page 4 of this thread that it was the Director who spoke on behalf of the 17 agencies, any instance of you not being able to understand beyond that point what was meant is entirely on you. You've already admitted that the Director spoke on behalf of the USIC, so unless you can prove to me that the USIC isn't really a collective body of 17 different agencies, then you really have no place calling the post wrong

 

I have plenty of reasons to calling your posts wrong. 17 of them in fact. That the Director can speak on behalf of the Intelligence Community has nothing to do with your claim that "We have 17 different intelligence agencies who are saying that Russia was attempting to interfere with our elections."

17 Intelligence Agencies didn't make that claim.

 

Persistence can sometimes be considered a virtue.

Obsession not so much

 

Then who is the United States Intelligence Community?

 

After all this time you are just now asking that?

...and in a related note: http://www.politicalforum.com/index...hacked-election.487339/page-5#post-1069073881

 

How we doing with that "hoax" claim?

 

After all this time you still can't answer the question?

FWI, I've asked that same question several times, and several times you have avoided answering. I wonder why

 

When have you asked that question, "Then who is the United States Intelligence Community?" And I have not responded to it? Also, how many times do I have to respond to it, unless you are claiming I've never responded to it?

 

Are you still avoiding answering the question?

I asked you in post #961 - you avoided answering the question

I asked you in post #950 - you avoided answering the question

I asked you in post #946 - you avoided answering the question

I asked you in post #944 - you avoided answering the question


It's painfully obvious why you keep doing this. Once again, we know that the Director spoke on behalf of the USIC, now who is the USIC?

I'm not asking for multiple responses that avoid answering the question entirely, I'm asking for you to answer the question.

 

Trump has made it clear that he likes what he hears on Fox News. I have often dubbed Fox as the "Trump Network." "Fox and Friends," Sean Hannity, Jeanine Pirro, and Tucker Carlson all represent Trump's favorite television fare. He trusts them more than he trusts the CIA and FBI.

Imagine my surprise then when Trey Gowdy, a powerful Trump ally in the House, said in an interview on Fox that the FBI was justified in using a secret informant to assist in the Russia investigation. Gowdy is the House Oversight Committee chairman and a member of the House Intelligence Committee, which operates as lackeys for Trump as it tries to get the evidence against Trump from the DOJ and FBI. Gowdy attended the classified Justice Department briefing last week on the FBI’s use of the confidential source.

“President Trump himself in the Comey memos said if anyone connected with my campaign was working with Russia, I want you to investigate it, and it sounds to me like that is exactly what the FBI did,” Gowdy told host Martha MacCallum.

Devin Nunes, charirman of the House Intelligence Committee and a mover and shaker behind that DOJ briefing last week, still hasn't been heard from.

"Can anyone even imagine having Spies placed in a competing campaign, by the people and party in absolute power, for the sole purpose of political advantage and gain? And to think that the party in question, even with the expenditure of far more money, LOST!" Trump tweeted.

"How do you like the fact they had people infiltrating our campaign? Can you imagine?" Trump yelled to his Nashville audience last night.

Not one Republican in Congress supports Trump's wild claims. Trump offers no proof of his wild claims, mostly because, as Gowdy, Ryan, McConnell, along with Fox's Judge Napolitano and Shepherd Smith, point out, there isn't any.

The Nashville audience clapped and cheered Trump's false accusations. Despite all logic to the contrary, Trump supporters accept Trump's lies. It is as if they were saying:

I believe President Trump. Don't confuse me with facts.

 

Answered here:

Just going back to my answer, on #951, are you asking a question that's different from my already given answer on that post?

What does a definition of USIC have to do with anything we're talking about?

What are you still arguing about? Please be specific. You have already acknowledged on post #950 that I was right, that "17 Intelligence Agencies" made no conclusion or report on this topic. So therefore, I win.

 

I might have said this before in this thread in which case I apologise

Lock her up, lock her up, lock her up.

If Obama did one good thing it was keeping her out the white house in 2008

 

I'm not asking you what the abbreviation stands for, I am asking you who is the United States Intelligence Community. It is important to know who the USIC is, because the joint statement reads "The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises"

Seeing how the statement was made on behalf of the United States Intelligence Community, it essential that you understand who the United States Intelligence Community is in establishing a rational conclusion of what their joint statement means, and who it represents. This is another lame attempt to avoid answering the question, and it is painfully obvious why you are avoiding answering the question.

No more excuses, there's no more reason for you to misinterpret my posts, or misconstrue my words to mean what you want them to mean. Answer the question, who is the United States Intelligence Community?

 

Actually, this comment makes less sense than many of your others. You don't want to know what the USIC is, you want to know who? To me, there is no difference between the two. Now clearly you are trying to continue to get more in the weeds from my simple point, which was that your claim, that "17 Intelligence Agencies" made the conclusion of that report, when that's clearly false. I've enjoyed you continuing with this, despite all reason, but I always have to come down with the point that I have been correcting you on, which is your claim that "We have 17 different intelligence agencies who are saying that Russia was attempting to interfere with our elections."

17 Different Intelligence Agencies. Your statement is false.

 

Instead of giving a lame excuse for why you cannot answer the question, why don't you answer the question?

 

Because I have multiple times. Now, is your statement, "We have 17 different intelligence agencies who are saying that Russia was attempting to interfere with our elections," is this a true statement or a false one?

 

Go after the FBI agents that pushed the issue, especially anyone of them who was in on using the Steele dossier in FISA court.

 

You did? Where?

I would be interest to know what your answer is for who the United States Intelligence Community is

In regards to your question,one would have to know who the United States Intelligence Community is in order to conclude whether or not the quote is accurate or not. According to the fact checkers, the statement is true, and they conclude it is true because it is an accurate description of who the United States Intelligence Agency is... but one cannot know this if they themselves do not know, or are unable to accept who they (the United States Intelligence Community) are

So once again, who is the United States Intelligence Agency? refer me to the posts where you have answered this question, if possible