When will religion be overteken by logic?

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  1. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Except we don't really know that with any degree of certainty, and again the accounts are far different Even in terms of the events occurring on the voyage upon the flood in the Gilgamesh cycle mentions all sort of fantastical beasts that had to be over come while the Bible mentions none.
     
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    In Buddhism you get to be the hero...
     
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    I am not saying either is true
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    reading the bible cover to cover twice made me realize it could not be true, I wanted it to be true at the time, but just lost faith in it

    an out of body experience though when I was a young still leads me to believe their is life after death, though I know the mind can play tricks on us, so always the possibility it could of been a trick of the mind, but I do not believe so

    so I believe there is a spiritual component to us and a flesh and bones part, but I could be wrong
     
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    so goes the myth, more likely your memories are in your brain, but your spirit can latter on pick a new vessel of life

    the fact that people lose their memories in this life makes it seem likely memories do not continue on, as the brain is like a hard drive for our memories
     
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    I believe the tunnel of light you see when you die is the doorway to rebirth, our souls are like mosquito's attracted to the light, the light of life, the only way to escape the cycle of life and death is to learn to contol your consciousness and decide not to enter the light
     
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    Why could it not be true?
     
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    just doesn't sound true, I do not believe a all knowing God would be jealous for one, don't think a God will tell a father to kill his own son.. many things

    I like the good loving God I learned in Church and bible school, so I believed, reading the bible ruined it for me

    if the bible was true, when you read it, one should just go wow, that sounds so true, of course I believe that

    now I think the bible is interesting from a historical perspective as in seeing what the religions people of the past created, but I still think it's just a story, like many others religious myths
     
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    Didn't say you were Merely that the accounts are enough different that to assume one is the heir of the other is a bit far fetched.
     
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    load of bull... nearly 250 million christians in the usa (wow!) & only 550 thousand homeless as of 2016, yet homeless bums piss & sh*t in the streets, living in tents & cardboard boxes, beggin for food & drink...

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    link: https://ourworldindata.org/homelessness
     
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    In practicing the Christian mandate,
    1. Feed the hungry
    2. Give drink to the thirsty
    3. Welcome the stranger
    4. Clothe the naked
    5. Visit the sick
    6. Visit the prisoner
    7. Bury the dead
    You should not confuse card-carrying religionists with folks who embrace and practice an ethos based upon their nation's religious heritage. The two are neither allied nor are they mutually exclusive.
     
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    A comforting conceit, no doubt...
    ...but of course that's irrelevant the question you haven't got stones enough to answer, obviously knowing its your probity that has been left open to question here.
    Alas, you sorely overestimate the size of your knowledgebase. In defense of your dearly held prejudice, you've had to dissemble your way through this entire conversation thanks to these serious disadvantages:
    • I was there and you weren't.
    • You haven't got a clue about Christianity in the first place, so you wouldn't know it if it was staring you in the face.
     
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    My point was that you denied ever having opened a bible before you were 18 which was not the truth given your prior post. You can try to deflect all you like but the fact is you got caught not being honest.
    Whether you opened the Bible or not the fact remains you were exposed to Christianity because of where in the world you were born.
    Sorry it bothers you but that’s not my problem.
     
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    Then producing a verbatim quote and link won't be a problem, so ante up already.
     
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    I already showed the post where you admitted to opening it up prior to 18. Do you have short term memory issues?
     
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    they have enough similarities to think they are related though, similar names, flood, ect...
     
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    are you referring to this

     
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    much of right and wrong is instinctual for most people, but for those that do not have empathy they may need to be taught and yes, religion could be used as their crutch as long as they do not learn it from violent religious fanatics
     
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    exactly, it would be like someone saying gravity is God's magnetic personality holding us down to earth, vs science making a best guess based on the data, which could change with more data

    either way gravity does exist, but one is science based, the other is faith that everything unknown if God
     
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    Data vs Dogma. One inherently self-correcting and directed at an objective, universal understanding, the other diverse in subjective variety, and each disparate version immutable.
     
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    totally agree, there are good and bad Christians, just like with all religions
     
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    Religion and logic don't really mix.

    One deals with faith, idealism. The other deals with reality, critical thinking, and the world around us, aka realism.

    Are they mutually exclusive? Not at all, but religion tend to reduce if not eliminate critical thinking skills, especially pertaining to ones' own religious faith.
     
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    Moral value that various religions espouse are neither unique to each, nor to religion in general.

    The key to what Christianity calls the corporal works of mercy is that they are only embraced in practice, not in the abstract through passive lip service.

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    Be honest, you only think its interesting because in your view the Sumerian texts add doubt to Christianity itself.
    9/11 has been told at different times by many victims...does it make any of them less true or are they just different versions.
     
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    Religion claims to guide, and in fact it should guide.

    Our critical thinking, planning, analysis, should be guided by a concept of a greater good as a society or in deference to religious/moral principle.

    I think we just disconect that from our actual decision making.

    Christians claim to be interested in those who have not been able to compete in our capitalist system - and then they voted for the leadership of Trump even though he opposes every deference to religious/moral principle.

    I think we just disconnect our values while attempting to maximize our own benefits.
     
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