When will religion be overteken by logic?

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  1. James Evans

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    You beat me to it. Just another partisan hack.
     
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    I reject the OP premise that it is illogical to believe in religion. What is illogical is to think nothing x nobody = everything.
     
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    Most of the homophobes I know, mind you, aren't religious. There are, mind you, multiple definitions of religiosity. For example, take the notion of "quest orientation". That's meaning of life orientated (although I prefer life of brian myself). Its also been found to be associated with positive attitudes towards homosexuality.
     
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    Good.
     
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    I think there is much sense to your point of view. It is a live and let live point of view that i shared for many years. I recognized that for my family, and for others, religion was a great comfort. And as far as that goes... sure, it is fine to just leave it alone

    But i am increasingly seeing militant religionists. The most obvious example are Muslim jihadists. And as many forum posters remind us.... the problem is not confined to just a radical minority. But lets leave the muslims aside for the moment.

    I see politicians increasingly pandering to the faithful. People proclaiming: We are a Christian nation... founded on Christianity... inseparable from Christianity... we must be guided be Christianity. And so we must consider life as beginning at the moment of conception.... we must support every policy of Israel... we cannot teach evolution...we cannot allow non straight people to live normal lives.... we must demand that other nations fall in line with our israel first policy and our ideas of when life begins....we have to start public governance with prayers, etc

    Frankly, i would be perfectly happy if religion/faith were a private matter. I really do not care if some one is hindu, or Buddhist, or mormon, or scientologist, or catholic, or southern baptist. I do not care if some one wants to wear a cross, o a little hat, or a spot on their forehead, or a veil.

    But what i do care about is when religionists insist on shaping national politics and the lives of non believers. When that stops, i am quite happy to let religion return to being a matter of personal faith
     
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    Will you agree that homophobes THINK they are religious, and that god requires their views, and that these people are the most vocal exemplars of alleged religious attitudes towards people with alternate sexual preferences
     
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    Islam is clearly turning to a very radical position, and THAT is a huge problem. Very hard to combat people who think they go to heaven for killing you.

    I care when the start beheading people and detonating suicide bombs. To your last point, Christians have as much right to be involved in public policy questions as anyone. ALL laws are an imposition of someone's morality. Christians involved in politics ended the slave trade and Jim Crow.

    I prefer the term bible believer to fundamentalist, Jesus was one of those.
     
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    I reject the name calling, and will remind you that until recently no culture or faith approved of such deviancy. It was common in ancient Rome and Greece, and what we see today is just a return to paganism, complete with infanticide by abortion.
     
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    Ever heard of the crusades or other religious wars?
     
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    Vastly overstated, the Crusades were a legitimate counter offense against Muslim expansion, I wish they had been more successful. Even the 30 years war was about more than religion, there were Protestants and Catholics on the same side in some instances.

    Ever hear of 100,000,000 killed by atheistic communism? The body count isn't over yet.
     
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    So you still have a 'belief' system. No different.
     
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    Climate change is a poorly understood, the models remain inaccurate at the best.
     
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    You certainly have a positive relationship between homophobia and some forms of religiosity. However, the relationship tends to be small. Where it is more significant (e.g. orthodoxy), then the direction of causality is not clear: is it the influence of the 'church', or because people with relatively homogeneous views are drawn to the 'church' (and therefore encourage outdated viewpoints to hold)?
     
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    'Taking care of your fellow man' is as subjective as any 'invisible man in the sky.'

    I care for lots of people. Yet it would seem it isn't enough. How much is it acceptible to also care for myself? Who determines that?
     
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    But the science is good enough that it correctly predicted increasing storms with increasing intensity, warming Arctic and a cooling Antarctic, increased forest fires (they're burning out of control in Alaska at this moment!), changes in insect infestations, and wild swings outside of the 50-year average of weather patterns.
     
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    Apparently you are not aware of the IPCC that puts low confidence in the weather patterns being created by global warming or the statistics that show no trend in forest fires. I bet you are swayed more by the alarmist crap pushed by known nothing journalists which is all based on the least likely computer model RCP 8.5 which 'predict' this happening in the future and not now. It is easy to sway people uneducated in science to conform to the current dogma even though the observed science does not support the alarmist clap trap.
     
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    So can liberal indoctrination by way of social engineering and political correctness. Witness violent ANTIFA.
     
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    The church and others until science figured it out.
     
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    What is illogical is declaring a body in the equation when there is no evidence of such a body or that there was ever nothing.
     
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    Enough said
     
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    Godless societies have always ended in tragedy. Look at Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot. They all replaced religion with "logic".
     
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    And I reject accepting your morality
    And as long as you insist on imposing it in others
    So long i will continue to post how stupid i think religion is

    There is a genealogy in the gospels that extends from joseph to adam.... do you believe THAT?
    And why does it matter since joseph was not jesus father
     
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    It's in direct response to a statement about who should care for who- something common to religious beliefs, and to liberals. No point.

    When it's MY money, I am the judge. If you want to give yours away to what or whomever- your business.
    When you try to dictate what I do with mine, you have crossed the line.


    Read the line above again.


    Income disparity is directly related to productivity disparity. If you don't hunt or participate in the productivity of things that benefit you, why the hell should those who work harder or smarter lift you up to some higher level? That is perhaps one of the dumbest proposals ever made. It's a lot like giving every kid who shows up a trophy, teaching them that you don't need to perform to win rewards- just breathe, and you should get paid. That insures that we will raise people with no motivation, but a lot of expectations; unable to do for themselves and whining that it's not fair.

    Funny- the libs never want to consider the value of those people's productivity, only their right to grab a share of other people's rewards. To ask that be considered is some kind of denigration or insult to the entitled people, while expecting others to keep you fed, housed and clothed is just- entitlement. Libs never figure out that there is no magic genie in the sky producing free money- that there are only people. We are paying our own bills, one way or another.



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    "There is no invisible man in the sky. Rest easy. What is important is taking care of your fellow man."

    You qualified your statement with the second sentence. You opened that door. And I didn't mention tax code, other than to point out who was taking care of his fellow man- and who wasn't.
    And I'm not a religious person, nor an atheist in the usual sense. I'm a naturalist, meaning Mother Nature write the rules, and I respect them.
    You aren't entitled to dictate the form of answers to your questions....
     
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    READ THE BLUE TEXT IN THE POST REPLY, WHICH ADDRESSES EACH POINT.

    Complicated task I know, but get someone to help you find it.
     

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