'There was a time when I’d have suggested that such a conversation was harmless no matter how you decided to answer .Sadly, I live in New York, and any gun owner here can tell you that you no longer have that luxury or reason for any confidence in the privacy of the doctor – patient relationship. Since the passage of the New York Safe Act there have been tens of thousands of residents stripped of their Second Amendment rights, many of whom were placed on the government’s “No Second Amendment Rights” list as a result of an anonymous call from a medical professional with “concerns.” There is no need for court adjudication to prove someone is dangerously unbalanced or insane. Just a call saying you “seem depressed” will be enough. It’s then up to you to spend the time and vast amount of attorney fees required to go to court and prove that you’re not crazy.' I have to agree, just lie. Why? years ago , during the Clinton years my wife went to the MD for an ear infection After annoying her with questions abut me beating her, she was asked about guns in the home.Her answer was affirmative and a sticker noting this was placed on the outside of the medical record jacket.This is only done for information that needs quick access , like allergies, Drs name etc So I must wonder who would need this info quickly? With HIPPA it is readily available to government agencies. Ever since , we have lied Surce: http://hotair.com/archives/2016/05/17/when-your-doctor-asks-you-if-you-own-a-gun/
Bottom line - over 30,000 deaths per year in America from gunshot - a very large proportion of those are suicides Now pull back a little - Uncle Joe goes to the family doctor and Uncle Joe is feeling a little stressed - has been drinking a bit and at the moment wife and kids are out of town. His family doctor is worried but because he cannot exercise his first amendment right of free speech and talk to Joe about guns in the house and maybe a good time to put them where he cannot get at them so easily if he gets the "booze blues" so he keeps silent Uncle Joe gets drunk, gets blue and blows his brains out - now Aunt Sally sues that family doctor because he knew Uncle Joe was depressed and did nothing to prevent his death
We have 12k hanging/suffocation suicides each year. Should the authorities strip the house of ripes, cords, belts and bedsheets?
Because you could frame a rebuttal? Bottom line do you support legal Suppression of medical pesonel in order to defend some possible interference with someones so called rights?
There was a whole thread I started here where I supplied research paper after research paper to support this https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/magazine/magazine_article/guns-suicide/ https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/09/upshot/gun-deaths-are-mostly-suicides.html You would not negate your suicide rate but you could reduce it. Consider too the vast majority of those suicide are white middle aged men. Who have families.......
Reduce it how? Note that in the US, the firearms suicide rate increased by 8% rom 2000 to 2015. The hanging/suffocation rate increased 80% over the same time period?
It's actually quite easy to rebuff. We have a constitutional right to keep firearms. To deny someone that right requires a court order. No where in your story did you mention said doctor telling either law enforcement or mental health authorities. What other rights should this doctor be able to take away? You mentioned he had been drinking, I guess he should lose his license and his car. People routinely commit suicide by hanging, so this doctor should be able to order the removal of all rope, shoe strings and bed clothes too. I could go on, but it's not going to change your opinion. You just want to see the population disarmed, no matter the consequences.
Pull back a little more....let's say Uncle Joe turned in all his firearms but now he's feeling even more stressed cause he doesn't have his guns anymore. Uncle Joe, now more depressed than ever because he had to give up his Cabot 1911, drinks a bottle of bleach in his anguish. Now everyone is revealed as a moron because the problem is he's a suicidal drunk and no one did anything about the real problem.
Just owning a gun increases your risk of dying... The aging white male population here in the USA has a great many reasons to be depressed because they are effectively being sidelined. Prior to retiring I noted the differences between when I first started working in what were then almost exclusively all white offices with only white males in management. When I left for the last time I was one of 3 white males and 4 white people in total in an office of at least 60+ people. The world is changing and Millennials work in an integrated global society where you are judged on your merits and abilities. That is a good thing IMO but it does raise the risk factors for aging white males whose time and influence is dwindling.
No he's right. Besides no one gets off the planet alive despite the best efforts of liberals thinking they can prevent it.
By how much over a lifetime? We know from Kellermann's study that the two highest risk factors for being murdered were renting and living alone, both of which greatly exceeded the risk he assigned to owning a firearm (and to be specific, his data showed that owning long guns lowered the homicide risk factor) Nice anecdote. CDC WISQARS data shows that the suicide rate for white males grew 20% from 2000 to 2015, and looking at white males 40 years and older, that rate grew about 25%. For the population as a whole the rate increased about 30% while for women it grew about 50%. Most frightening is that the suicide rate for girls age 10 to 17 increase over 90%.
Absolute ineffable twaddle. How many suicides have you personally responded to ? Hmmmm ? Zero ? I responded to way too many, Guns were at the bottom of the list. Hanging was number one as it is easiest. I saved one, from jumping in front of a NYC elevated train. Poisoning or overdoses, too many other methods.
Interesting that you completely and utterly failed to provide a credible source for your own "anecdotal" claims about suicide rates. Since you failed to provide a source I looked at what is actually available on the CDC site itself. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db241.htm You made this bogus allegation; "For the population as a whole the rate increased about 30%" Rate in 1999 was 10.5 and increased to 13 in 2014. The actual increase was 2.5 which equates to a 23.8% increase and that is significantly lower than your claim of 30%. Then there was this bogus allegation of yours; "while for women it grew about 50%" Rate in 1999 was 4.0 and increased to 5.8 in 2014. The actual increase was 1.8 which equates to a 45% increase which is 10% less than your claim of 50%. So given that your numbers don't correlate to what is actually on the CDC site where did you get your figures?
My doctor wouldn't care, but he has never asked. Putting stickers on everybody's file would be useless. This is Texas.
Most Police Officers and other Law Enforcement officers / agents, could not possess firearms under those current guidelines.
We actually do talk about firearms. Most recently we talked about what extractor booster to best use on an AR bolt.
Your premise is extremely ludicrous. More than 100,000 die per year from physician mistakes(http://www.npr.org/sections/health-...edical-mistakes-in-u-s-hospitals)...Therefore we should abolish all health care, and confiscate all their degrees. This is simply the ADA and the AMA trying to bypass the constitution and violating many laws in the process. They are still miffed that the government has not put gun control under the CDC.
