[/B] 1. You apparently are not aware that it was not Zyklon A it was Zyklon B, especially formulated to vaporize when exposed to air, so no need to apply heat/water to it like required by the A variant. As to the simple ventilation systems required, the easy answer is that they were removed during the operations to destroy the evidence, since the morgue in the basement would have HAD to have a ventilation system of its own. (which was a reason for adapting it in the first place.) There is also the fact that after 40 minutes the concentration of the gas has dramatically dropped to non lethal levels. Some amount absorbed by the concrete (approx 1-2 mm penetration), absorbed by the victims lungs and as precipitate that if accumulated results in prussian blue deposits as seen in fumigation centres. 2. I see you believe Yeager and the nonsense about the morgue not being converted to a gas chamber. Of course the gullible and poorly informed deniers can't quite grasp this documented fact. I know Hoess's interrogators actually were part of the massive holocaust conspiracy in 1945 and coerced him into his confession. Yep gullible and poorly informed deniers just eat that crap up. 3. The cherry red coloring is symptomatic of INGESTION and long term exposure, not short term lethal inhalation where the effects create a blue tinge to the skin and lips. You keep repeating the same ol' bullshit over and over, despite being debunked every time. You are a classic example of the Backfire effect in action.
Germany occupied Ukraine in 1941 (3 million Jews) and Hungary (740,000 Jews) in 1944. Your refusal to acknowledge this is a deliberate attempt to mislead. Just be aware that we know you are doing this and no amount of repetition of these deliberately misleading claims (some might say lies) will make them true.
That's a big no. I call a spade a spade and a nazi scumbag and nazi scumbag. Zundel was a nazi scumbag. He was a disgusting liar and hate monger. And he didn't destroy anything other than the truth in his fanatical defense of his beloved nazis. I am very very familiar with him since he lived in Toronto for decades and published here. Yep Zundel even had his own little Sturmabteilung, all of about a dozen young strapping nazis in brown shirts and funny hats and armbands, (although they didn't feature the swastika - he wasn't that stupid) A truly disgusting human being that spewed his hate and bullshit ad nauseum. Might want to look up the history of his little group - seems some didn't get along with others. And, if you actually were honest, you'd know anything about the arson case, it turned out that your Jewish Armed REsistance Movement hadn't been active in over 20 years, and CSIS and two of its agents was officially reprimanded for making unfounded accusations about who did the firebombing. But once again you try to peddle denialist bullshit. (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-paJVvTO3f...s1600/National+Post+-+November+22%2C+1999.png ) . But I will grant that he was one of the founders and drivers of the holocaust movement and his two trials focused world wide attention on him and his scumbags, and brought a lot of denialists out from under their rocks.
I am not claiming that no Hungarian Jews or no Ukrainian Jews were persecuted by the Nazis after the Wannsee meeting, I am only accurately interpreting the Wannsee meeting's content. No one knows how many Hungarian or Ukrainian Jews were actually deported to work camps or how many were actually executed but it defies logic to think that the then desperate Nazis (in 1944) would devote their pitifully few resources to transport large numbers of people great distances only to execute them.
Re: Firstly, I dare you to show just one example of where you or any other disciple of the standard holocaust mythology has debunked anything I've said, anywhere. Secondly, why are standard holocaust myth disciples so angry & insulting that they are unable to discuss a fraud ridden event without rancor and name calling? 1. You make it unclear which alleged homicidal gas chamber confuses you. If you are talking about the so called "gas chamber" at Auschwitz 1, even Franz Piper, the museum / theme park director acknowledges that the morgue in question was never a homicidal gas chamber. For a fuller response, please be specific. 2. Again, if you are talking about the Auschwitz morgue, it could never have been a homicidal gas chamber where "thousands were gassed daily" because it lacks any of the characteristics of a genuine homicidal gas chamber. 3. The chemical reactions of cyanide poisoning do not change depending on whether it was ingested orally or via the lungs. The symptoms of cyanide poisoning remain the same. One of them is usually cherry read skin according to the three credible sources I cited and you deliberately omitted. Why didn't any of the so called gas chamber eyewitnesses speak of this most remarkable feature?(1), (2), (3) (1)"Johns Hopkins" http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-work/publications/cyanide-fact-sheet Signs and Symptoms EXCERPT "Other: acute lung injury, nausea and vomiting, cherry-red skin color." CONTINUED (2) "Cyanide Toxicity" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK507796/ EXCERPT "Patients with cyanide poisoning will not be cyanotic but will have a cherry red color due to excess oxygen in the bloodstream."CONTINUED (3) "Cyanide Poisoning Treatment, Symptoms & Effects - eMedicineHealth" https://www.emedicinehealth.com/cyanide_poisoning/article_em.htm EXCERPT "The skin of a cyanide-poisoned person can sometimes be unusually pink or cherry-red because oxygen will stay in the blood and not get into the cells."CONTINUED
First, you have been schooled dozens of times on the bullshit you keep trying to peddle, but it just keeps bouncing off the ol' noggin. Second, I for one have no trouble in discussing the fraudulent stories of the holocaust. What take issue with is the stupid logical fallacy that you and yours like to use all the time. If one then all. AS for my rancor towards holocaust deniers, it must be because I have a deep seated hatred of them and that nearly all are either jew haters or nazi apologists. I predict I will continue to receive warnings and bannings for insulting such types. 1. Bullshit. Piper did not say that at all. I am totally familiar with the edited secret recording that Cole made and peddled to his fellow cretins. Here's the text of his response to Cole's sleazy hit job. 2. Oh what did it lack? It wasn't the main gas chamber as you well know, but it was the prototype that prompted the building of the others in birkenau. Morgues have ventilation systems. 3. YOu continue to insist that there is not difference between long term exposure thu ingestion and short term level level inhalation. Not surprising tho, because that small medical fact blows your argument completely out of the water. No doubt we'll see you use it again in a week or two. There isn't a single denialist talking point that I am unfamiliar with and have not researched and debunked over the more than 3 decades I have been confronting denialists and nazi apologists. Fact is I know way way more than you do about your own twisted belief.
It doesn't defy logic at all. IN fact its pretty well documented that those pitiful resources were the bottom rung of equipment and generally had very low priority, necessitating long wait times in sidings for "military" designated traffic. Although it wasn't passed the odd nazi scum to label a trainload of victims as "military". Not that you are interested at all, but here is a pretty good analysis with appropriate links and evidence with regard to how and why the nazi's devoted so many resources to the final solution. https://history.stackexchange.com/q...-prioritize-transport-trains-to-the-death-cam
I see you have nothing. Okay I wasn't there. But a whole bunch of my jewish relatives were. I wasn't there but my Uncle spent three years after the war (82nd airborne) as the second in command of Interrogation team A of the de-nazification program sure as hell was. If I have jewish bosses then I guess you have nazi bosses. As to no agreement, there most definitely is a consensus of historians of the facts. The fact that a few crackpot jew haters and nazi apologists have crapped out a bunch of bullshit psuedo-science, distortions, idiotic inference, with a giant dollop of willful ignorance does not negate that consensus. Spouting bullshit in an attempt to rehabilitate nazis and deny their heinous deliberate genocide can be punishable by imprisonment in some countries (most specifically those that suffered the most). So I agree they are losers. It has everything to do with hate and of course the desire to resurrect racialist nazi garbage. I continually accuse denialists of bigotry because they are lamely trying to defend one of the worst genocidal regimes in history. Perhaps if you look closely you might see the linkl.
No, you were not 'only' doing that, you were 'also' deliberately misrepresenting the status of Jews in Nazi controlled Europe. However, I'm glad you have finally conceded that Nazi Germany had control over more than 4.5 million Jews - around 8 million if you take into account Ukraine & Hungary alone. Quite the breakthrough after repeated attempts. Once again, what you choose to believe is of no relevance here & neither is your interpretation of Nazi 'logic'. There is considerable documentary evidence and testimony that the Nazis did indeed devote their resources to the transport and/or murder of large numbers of Jews from Ukraine, Hungary, Romania & numerous other places. However, as you have only just acknowledged that the Nazis actually had control over enough Jews to have killed 5-6 million no one is expecting you to suddenly accept other well documented truths so quickly. maybe one day.
I notice that in spite of the fact that you are unable to produce even one example of where any of my assertions have been refuted, you still make the false claim that I've been "schooled dozens of times" in your reams of puerile bluster & bragging. Where have I been "schooled" even once especially by you? Again, I dare you to produce just one example or quit making more of these ridiculous false claims. The morgue / fake "gas chamber" used to dupe naive & gullible tourists to the Auschwitz theme park was never a homicidal gas chamber because of its construction. the drain would never have been tied into drains from other buildings and the morgue lacks any signs of the mandatory ventilation required to introduce and exhaust the highly toxic gas. Furthermore, the silly idea that the same technically sophisticated people that produced the first practical jet fighter and other sophisticated weapons systems needed to build a "prototype" is laughable especially in light of the fact that gas chambers had been built elsewhere for decades before WW 2. I have repeatedly supported the simple, medical fact that many people exhibit a cherry red skin color after cyanide ingestion numerous times in this and related threads(1), (2), (3). Any alleged "gas chamber eyewitness" would have related this remarkable feature if anyone had been actually gassed especially by the millions. You have produced nothing to refute that fact except your own desperately fabricated personal claim. Finally, I have never denied that the holocaust happened, am no Nazi apologist and with several close Jewish friends, am certainly no "Jew hater" but like the vast majority of people around the world(4) simply reject the outrageous claims, inflated numbers and grisly fantasies promulgated by the profit driven, multi billion dollar Holocaust Industry and innumerable frauds eager for ill gotten fame & fortune(5). (1)"Johns Hopkins" http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-work/publications/cyanide-fact-sheet Signs and Symptoms EXCERPT "Other: acute lung injury, nausea and vomiting, cherry-red skin color." CONTINUED (2) "Cyanide Toxicity" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK507796/ EXCERPT "Patients with cyanide poisoning will not be cyanotic but will have a cherry red color due to excess oxygen in the bloodstream."CONTINUED (3) "Cyanide Poisoning Treatment, Symptoms & Effects - eMedicineHealth" https://www.emedicinehealth.com/cyanide_poisoning/article_em.htm EXCERPT "The skin of a cyanide-poisoned person can sometimes be unusually pink or cherry-red because oxygen will stay in the blood and not get into the cells."CONTINUED (4) ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS” https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/ EXCERPT “Only 54 percent of the world's population has heard of the Holocaust. 54 percent. This is the most staggering statistic in a new survey by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) of more than 53,000 people in over 100 countries, conducted by First International Resources. Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts. Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth. Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust." - Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated. - people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED (5) "Could there be anything more twisted than these Holocaust fantasists? How more and more people are making up memoirs about witnessing Nazi crimes" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...le-making-memoirs-witnessing-Nazi-crimes.html EXCERPT "Unfortunately, despite all these examples, publishers are still wilfully selling suspect memoirs based on the Holocaust and the war. No doubt there will be more books of this type. With publishers fighting it out to sell the latest tale of World War II derring-do, or Holocaust misery, it seems unlikely this is a genre that will die out. Anybody reading these books should stop and ask themselves whether what they hold in their hands is, in fact, true." CONTINUED
It sounds like you're making the outrageous claim that ALL Jews under Nazi control were executed when nothing could be further from the truth since there were Jews who were members of the Nazi Party(1) as well as 150,000 Jews and mixed Jews (Mischlings) who served in Germany's WW 2 military with some rising to the highest ranks and receiving Germany's highest honors(2). If there were really a "Final Solution" why did Hitler & Germany's High Command knowingly permit Jews to serve in such high positions? To have a murder, you need a body as proof. To have a mass murder as claimed by the fraudulent Holocaust Industry, you need millions of bodies but unlike other mass killings, there are not millions of bodies. In fact, only a tiny fraction of bodies have been found and most of those died as a result of typhus, not execution. For example, according to holocaust mythology, millions were executed at the so called Reinhard Camps but there is a $100,000- reward for anyone who can locate even a small fraction of those allegedly executed(3) As I noted in my previous Post, only a few people around the world(4) have been duped into believing the absurd claims of 5 -6 million Jews being executed while most thinking people reject the profit driven Holocaust Industry's ridiculous fictions. (1) "List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent EXCERPT "Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of Jewish descent."CONTINUED (2) "Hitler's Jewish Soldiers" https://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Jewish-Soldiers-Descent-Military/dp/0700613587 EXCERPT "Contrary to conventional views, Rigg reveals that a startlingly large number of German military men were classified by the Nazis as Jews or "partial-Jews" (Mischlinge), in the wake of racial laws first enacted in the mid-1930s. Rigg demonstrates that the actual number was much higher than previously thought-perhaps as many as 150,000 men, including decorated veterans and high-ranking officers, even generals and admirals."CONTINUED (3)"THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX" http://www.nafcash.com/ EXCERPT "It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II - hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of corpses were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive allegations to the contrary, the truth is; the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the - one hundred - graves / cremation pits that are alleged to have been scientifically proven to currently exist at these sites, in which verified human remains have been tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology; contained the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE. Those who believe they can refute any statement of fact articulated on this web page are invited to accept THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX CHALLENGE $100,000.00 REWARD For proving - just 1 / 1,000 of 1% - of the criminally fraudulent buried remains allegations" CONTINUED (4) ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS” https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/
Of course not but Elvis claims that there's a lunar holocaust theme park in the works complete with an authentic "Conveyor Belt of Death". "Auschwitz Electrical Conveyor belt of Death" https://disjecta.wordpress.com/2018/01/26/auschwitz-electrical-conveyor-belt-of-death/ EXCERPT "It’s a little known fact that running alongside the scientifically implausible gas gas chambers at Auschwitz ran the electrified conveyor belts of death. These industrialised slaughter belts, we can assume took the passive cargo directly from the “cattle cars” and electrocuted the hapless victims without struggle then disposed of the evidence in Nazi furnaces. One can only guess at the “special devices” for killing children. Somehow visions of Willy Wonka’s Chocolate/extermination factory spring to mind."CONTINUED
How can you be sure abiut the moon landings? How about the attack on the 9/11 attack WTC? Who did it?
Here's some info on those topics. https://www.giraffeboards.com/showthread.php?t=31034 http://www.politicalforum.com/index...orted-9-11-terrorists.456423/#post-1066183060 We can talk about these topics over at the "Apollo hoax" section and the "9/11" section. Go make a post over there and I'll answer it.
No, answer it right here if you believe the Holocaust was a hoax do you believe the moon landings and 9/11 were also fake?
I notice I have repeatedly provided you with all kinds of substantive evidence that many of your claims are bullshit or bankrupt distortions. The claim of schooling you dozens of times is accurate, but I can see how you don't think that, since in ALL of those instances its just bounces of your adamantine belief. I do agree that your entire argument about the morgue is specifically designed to dupe the naive, gullible and ignorant denialist community. Its standard operating procedure. Seems you can't quite grasp that the morgue had a ventilation system. As for the cherry red skin of exposed victims, yet another totally bogus objection. But of course you will keep repeating the same old crap because the truth is too hard for you to accept. https://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/search/a?dbs+hsdb:@term+@DOCNO+165 Your fallacious logic trying to suggest that because - jet engines! so no need of prototyping methods of mass murder. But I get how denialists fall for such nonsense as being yet more proof. You don't deny the holocaust? Funny that is exactly what you are doing. And there weren't millions that went to the gas chambers. It seems for all your "scholarship" you can't seem to keep current with the consensus of thousands of historians that have taken decades to research the subject. Nah, you'll just bring up the originial aushwitz plaque, despite it being corrected by Dr. Piper no less. "I'm not X hater, I have X friends" is a well known "tell" of bigots. It would appear that not only are you a holocaust denier, that denial seems to extend to any hard evidence that challenges your bullshit.
HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH! A newspaper article with a snip of obvious bullshit, at a time that all kinds of accusations and rumors and "urban myths" were promulgated is more than sufficient evidence to conclude the entire narrative is bogus. A sad insight into how the minds of deniers work.
Using the Nazi definition of who is a jew, it seems there were a lot of "jews" who fought for the Nazis. Mischlings all. Its a "technically true" statement ONLY if you apply the Nazi definition of who is a jew as per the Nuremburg laws. Seems that is the "law" that all deniers operate under. Naturally denialists seize the opportunity to spit out yet another disgusting bit of venomous bigotry.
I don't think the Holocaust didn't happen. I think what happened was exaggerated and distorted. This link pretty much shows the revisionists' position if you're confused about it.. http://vho.org/Intro/GB/Brochure.pdf I don't want to break the rules. I believe the moon missions were faked and that 9/11 was planned and carried out by the US government. If you want to talk about any of this, let's do it in the proper sections.
Its not revision, its denial. Here's a handy guide for you to enhance your critical thinking skills in analyzing their "position".
I appreciate your frank honest answer. No need to discuss it in detail, but I suspected that anyone who believed the Holocaust was the product of an elaborate scam would also be likely to believe that the moon landings, and the 9/11 attacks were massive propaganda operations. But all of those conspiracy theories ignore the obvious truth about the US Israeli and Western clandestine intelligence capabilities - they have all been remarkably incompetent and incapable of carrying out any clandestine operation without being caught - often red handed. Their schemes usually fail, and when they "succeed" they are exposed - frequently by internal leaks. Many spies have gained access to US, Israeli, and other Western intelligence agency "secrets" and been convicted of espionage. There are obviously many more who have never been discovered. Faking the Holocaust, the moon landings, and responsibility for the 9/11 attacks would require the cooperation of countless collaborators, including hostile penetration agents. It would also require their silence for decades, and the West's spooks are among the worlds loudest squealers. IOW, Mission Impossible really is mission impossible.
What a pile of absolute bullshit but typical of the clowns at CODOH sitting around lying to each other, while whining about how the jews are "master liars". It isn't a question of academic dispute, it is a obfuscation of the truth by bigots with various agendas sharing a common intense dislike of jews and admiration of nazis. Liars and Christ Killers. But noooooooooooooooooo, you aren't bigoted just because you use ancient jew hating tropes. I bet you even have jewish friends.
While that number is clearly unlikely, there are a growing number of Russians discovering their Jewish ancestry (hitherto unknown) via the rise in inexpensive DNA testing. There are more than anyone ever suspected, let's put it that way.
If it 'sounds like' that to you then it once again proves how distorted your perceptions are. Of course, anyone who isn't already on the kool aid can see that you are deliberately misrepresenting what I said in order to once more spew forth the same debunked claims you have been spewing forth for who knows how many years. You have certainly filled this thread with the same claims & same links, all of which misrepresent or ignore the demographic, documentary & eyewitness evidence of a mass murder of 5-6 million Jews. You also spent most of this thread claiming the Nazis didn't control enough Jews to murder 6 million, then turned around & tried to pretend you hadn't done it. You have zero credibility. The only people who don't see though you are the anti-semites & pathological conspiracy theorists who agree with you.[/QUOTE]
