Where could the Jews have gone?

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  1. Felix (R)

    Felix (R) New Member

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    In my studies of WW2 politics, I have read that in general, countries did not open their borders to give the Jews a place to go to save them from the horrors of what was to come. I also read that Hitler was open to the idea of letting many leave however there were no countries that would take them. Or the ones who said they would stalled. I was curious if anyone has any information about this so that I might research it some more based on any competing views or accounts of this history.



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    Can't say much.

    Induvial families were able to escape, nothing large though. Those that got trapped behind the Nazi lines found refuge among the Righteous among Nations.
     
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    Yes, as I read it wasnt just about escaping either. That Hitler was willing to let many go, just no one would offer them refuge.
     
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    A true shame.
     
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    Italy and Hungary provided shelter for Jewish people for some time, but this changed at the end of the war. Hungary stopped persecution of Jewish people a short time before WWII ended.

    Switzerland gave shelter to Jewish people, but this was often inofficial, which means, Swiss border police often looked the other way, when Jewish people came there from France and Switzerland did not send them away as soon as they were on Swiss ground.

    The best place for Jewish people to survive in occupied Europe was Albania. Albanians generally refused to cooperate with occupying forces when it came to persecution of Jewish people.
     
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    Thank you and I will look into the submitted info. I question mainly Hitlers policy of allowing Jews to leave beforehand, and why so many of them could not. Providing shelter may or may not suffice my inquiry depending on what the size and scope of the deal was.
     
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    During the German occupation of Denmark, they were able to get most of the 8000 jews out of the country to Sweden.
     
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    For many people ,it is hard to admit that they have been brainwashed on WWII history to such an extent it is appalling.

    The Germans were open armed to the Jews ,more friendly and hospitable than any country has ever treated them..... Why the animosity towards them during the 20's and 30's ........well after this welcoming to Jews Germany finds out that German Zionists sold them out in WWI....i.e. Balfour declaration....

    Jews ,then turn around and declare global war on Germany's economy....strangling them for basic foods and medicines...

    front page news March 24th 1933 Daily Express..."Judea declares War on Germany" http://www.biblestudysite.com/judeawar.htm

    an expert from the time,friend of Presidents, and ex- Zionist spent a great deal of his own fortune trying to warn the world....Benjamin H. Freedman 1961 speech at the Willard Hotel in Washington...."Warning to America"
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGJ286vh9nQ&feature=related"]‪Benjamin Freedman # complete 1961 speech ~ The Truth ~ The whole Truth ~ and Nothing but the Truth‬‏ - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    Did you post that from your U Boat?
     
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    Adolf Hitler had a policy of letting Jewish people leave Germany before the war. There was even an agreement about letting them go to Palestine. They were not allowed to take something with them, except like a suitcase and very little money. They had to sell their property in Germany, but couldn't take the money they got with them.

    Later the policy was to let Jewish people go for money. Jewish organizations, especially in America, collected money and people from Jewish ghettos or concentration camps got released and they could go to Switzerland then.

    Heinrich Himmler negotiated this. Later Adolf Hitler changed the plan again, no Jewish people should be released anymore. Heinrich Himmler continued, but from there on he declared Jewish people Polish people.

    The biggest deal was planned with Hungarian Jews. Two negotiators were sent to Turkey. It was about like ten thousand trucks for Germany in exchange for hundred thousands of Jewish lifes. The British government refused this deal, partially because they did not want more Jewish refugees in Palestine or Britain.
     
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    Estonia, too, almost all Jewish Estonian people could go to Russia and survived this way.
     
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    If Hitler had won he would have given them the island called Madagaskar
     
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    A ship full of refugees was refused entry to the U.S. by FDR and ordered to return to Germany. We have to remember that was a time when many colleges still had quotas restricting jews.

    If I were Jewish at that time, I would have gone to Israel. If I were Jewish when the war was over, I would have gone to Israel.
     
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    A ship, the St. Louis, full of refugees was refused entry to the U.S. by FDR and ordered to return to Germany. We have to remember that was a time when many colleges still had quotas restricting jews.

    If I were Jewish at that time, I would have gone to Israel. If I were Jewish when the war was over, I would have gone to Israel.
     
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    This was further complicated by German laws.

    When the Reich Sitizenship Law was passed in 1935, it stripped German Citizenship from all Jews. This essentially made them "Stateless People", which makes it very hard to emmigrate. Most nations have strict requirements if not outright prohibitions on allowing stateless people to enter their country.

    And it is still like this today. The 2004 movie The Terminal is a fictionalized telling of the story of Mehran Karimi Nasseri, a stateless Iranian that was stuck in the Paris Airport from 1988 until 2006 when he was hospitalized. Stateless people must overcome huge obsticles in order to find some country willing to accept them.
     
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    That wouldn't have worked.. People were already living there and 50% were Christians.
     
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    Nope.

    The Madagascar Plan was an old concept, first proposed in 1885. Hitler had it looked into from 1938-1940. But by August 1940, the plan was abandoned.

    And as the world knows, they found a much more "efficient" way of dealing with the Jews then sponsoring and moving them all to an African colony.

    If Hitler had won the war, there would have been no Jews left to emmigrate to Madagascar. They would all have been ashes in Poland.
     
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    Thank you for the input good friend, I will look into this information you have contributed. Other nations still could have taken jews despite this not having citizenship I think. I see how it could complicate things though.
     
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