Where did Intelligence begin, in matter or fundamental energy?

If this were true than how can you explain how certain isolated tribes around the world haven't advanced further than cavemen?

 

How can they "verify" and nde's account? they can't possible know what the NDE experienced so they can't verify a damn thing, other than the person almost died.

 

Accounts of what was said and done in the operating room after they were pronounced dead or at a crash site or wherever the experience took place. You don't know enough about the subject to converse with.

 

Oh right of course. Actually hearing stuff going on around them. Wow, that sure does indicate that they were dead.

You are right, I don't know enough about such unscientific quackery, which is why I don't care about the "details" of "verification".

Its kinda like the Catholic church claiming to have verified miracles for their latest crop of saints.

NDE's are real in that the person experiencing them was in fact near to death, and they sure as hell had an experience. As to it being anything more than a natural process of oxygen starvation, well, I'll leave that to the supernaturalists.

 

In some cases they get distracted by a local plant that induces
and out of body state or trance........ then the witch doctor for the village comes back
down from his trip.... he has such interesting stories to tell the tribe at night that
the forget about technological development........

Sometimes a tribe rebels against the great technology that they had
centuries or millennia in the past..... and give up on Tech.

Apparently this happened to the people from Atlantis who had amazing technology but.....
destroyed their own continent with their technology..... and they made some sort of soul covenant to avoid technology in the future....

 

Something intriguing about NDE's and out of body experiences is how similar they are
no matter which one of the 22 or so various means of inducing them was used.


http://www.near-death.com/experiences/triggers.html

 

If they all derive from the same physiological source, then that kinda explains the commonality.

 

It could be from the same physiological source.....
or..... they are taking place in higher invisible space - time dimensions that
are all around each of us.....

www.CarbonBias.BlogSpot.ca/

 

I know of NO tribe or civilization that got "distracted" by a local plant and "forgot about technological development. What references do you have?

I do agree on the other hand that ignorance and its associated ritual social indoctrination created an impediment to many new ideas. It has taken 250,000 years or so for homo sapiens accumulated knowledge and resource base to reach the critical mass that created the technological explosion of the past couple of hundreds years. And like the expanding universe, the pace seems to be accelerating.

 

I tend toward's occam's razor in this regard. the simplest explanation tends to be the right one.

 

http://www.davidmeyercreations.com/strange-science/secrets-of-the-amazonian-witch-doctors/

 

Many experts who have studied parapsychology for a number of decades
would assert that the simplest explanation for much of this phenomena.....
is that it has a basis in a higher reality.

http://www.near-death.com/reincarnation/research/ian-stevenson.html

 

Einstein thought very differently about these topics than Richard Dawkins Ph. D. seems to.

He also felt that imagination had a great deal of value.

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein

 

Dr. Ian Stevenson invested a huge amount of time and money travelling all over the world to investigate about 3000 cases of children who could remember a past life.

He did this because he felt that this research had the potential to transform psychology and psychiatry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Stevenson

There is an excellent link to more of his work in post #87 here....

 

and they would be wrong in that assertion. In this case the simplest explanation is the NATURAL explanation. It does not require any belief in anything beyond what our scientific knowledge of our physical biology informs us.

 

... here on Earth ... and in the other galaxies across the Universe.

Don't be myopic.

 

... scientific knowledge ... isn't that an oxymoron ???

 

... this phenomenon ...

... these phenomena ...

If you are going to talk like a scientist you need to clean up your grammar/syntax.

 

You are conflating two different things. It wasn't the drugs that did it at all.

The amazonian hunter gatherers live in harmony with their rainforest environment and since food is abundant, shelter easily obtained, and a botantical pharmacopea surrounding them, I doubt they had much social pressure to change their lifestyles- it worked for them, cut off from the outside world. Sadly an dying existence.

 

Taking well known scientists out of context or cherry picking snippets of commentary is a standard tactic of those who have weak argument....it is a plead to established authority which ignores the actual science and opinion.

 

I should do that, but I like focusing the attention on the cool quotations that
I pop into so many replies.

 

Good point... .the implications of how powerful fundamental or nearly fundamental energy
really would be imply an astonishing variety of probable life forms throughout the universe, the Multiverse and
even higher dimensions of space - time.

 

I agree.. this was also an important part of why they did not bother becoming
technologically advanced.

 

I think that Pope Francis is correct about this:


Pope Francis declares evolution and Big Bang theory are real and God is not 'a magician with a magic wand'

 

I think 'intelligence' followed 'sentience' of organisms here on Earth. I do not know exactly how sentience is achieved other than some kind of self realization whose origin is yet unknown.