Where Did the Trinity Teaching Come From?

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  1. Alter2Ego

    Alter2Ego Active Member Past Donor

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    it's just me:

    You are not being "talked down to."

    The reality is that if one cannot grasp the elementary things, then they will not be able to grasp things that are deeper, especially where scripture is concerned. I suggest you ask for a Bible study from the next servant of Jehovah that shows up at your door. Once you begin studying the Bible seriously, with humility and an open mind, you will begin to grasp the deeper things, including the reality that Jesus Christ and the Archangel Michael are one and the same.

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    Alter2Ego Active Member Past Donor

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    Paul7:

    Nobody said angels created the universe. The response I previously gave was to your claim at Post 527 that Genesis 1:26 is talking about Christendom's trinity.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...hing-come-from.247420/page-22#post-1070717810

    You claimed that when the Bible said in Genesis: "Then God said: 'Let US make man in OUR image....'," the mere use of the pronouns "us" and "our" within that verse is proof of Christendom's 3-in-1 god.

    I then informed you that there were millions of angels in existence at the time Jehovah said what he did at Genesis 1:26 and that Jehovah was in fact speaking to one of those particular angels. That particular angel happened to be none other than the prehuman Jesus. The prehuman Jesus was himself created by Almighty God Jehovah.

    It was through or by means of Jesus that Jehovah did the creating.

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    Kode Well-Known Member

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    But it's all of mind, not of Spirit. To "enter" the Spirit it is necessary to reject all things of mind. The things of God are spiritually discerned.
     
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    Kode Well-Known Member

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    Those are teachings of man.
     
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    "You are not being "talked down to."

    Riiiight....

    "The reality is that if one cannot grasp the elementary things, then they will not be able to grasp things that are deeper, especially where scripture is concerned."

    If that's not talking down to your audience, what is?

    "I suggest you ask for a Bible study from the next servant of Jehovah that shows up at your door. Once you begin studying the Bible seriously, with humility and an open mind, you will begin to grasp the deeper things, including the reality that Jesus Christ and the Archangel Michael are one and the same."

    So now I have a closed mind and no humility? But you are not talking down to me? I think what you really mean is that I have to submit to the brainwashing your cult performs on the unsuspecting.

    Every time one of you shows up at my door I ask the same questions of them that I ask of you, and because all they have is double talk and lies they run like scared rabbits. The next one will get bounced down the sidewalk.
     
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    Before Abraham was, I am (PRIN ABRAAM GENESTHAI EGO EIMI)

    I thirst (DIPSO)

    To reconcile these two statements of Jesus it must be asked did Infinity leap into time and take also the human nature of infancy, growth, and manhood unto Itself?

    -OR-

    Are these two different persons?

    This question is on the Christology test and on the theology test at the judgment. (JK)

    If you can't pass these tests and fall into the error of Nestorian schizophrenia you are sent to the Elysian Fields. (JK)
     
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    I disagree, there are many places in the OT where God is spoken of as doing something, it never says God and angels.
     
  8. Alter2Ego

    Alter2Ego Active Member Past Donor

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    it's just me:

    Whose problem is it that you have a chip on your shoulders and that you choose to interpret everything I say to you as examples of being "talked down" to? Is it my problem or yours?

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    it's just me:

    The fact that you do not get answers to the same repetitive questions asked by you of Jehovah's Witnesses, should clue you in to the fact that nobody is going to stand at your door explaining the deeper things within Jehovah's inspired word, the Bible, when they recognize that you first need to learn the elementary things within scripture. You have to study the Bible in an organized manner and first learn the elementary things before you can grasp the deeper things. You have to crawl before you can walk. You are a spiritual babe requiring the elementary teaching or spiritual milk. You are not ready for deeper things at this point.

    "{1} Brothers, I was not able to speak to you as spiritual people but as people of the flesh, as babies in Christ. {2} I gave you milk to drink, not solid food, because you were not yet ready for it. In fact, you are still not ready," (1 Corinthians 3:1-2 -- Holman Christian Standard Bible)​

    The fact that you are up here arguing with me while you claim you get nothing but "double talk and lies" from Jehovah's Witnesses who show up at your door, speaks for itself. You lack humility.

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    It's your problem for being as arrogant as you can be. Do you know just how many message boards I have seen you on peddling this same schtick?
     
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    it's just me Well-Known Member

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    So in other words, neither you nor they have any historical or scriptural evidence for your claims. I have been trying to get answers from your ilk for 20 years and you haven't been able to come up with anything.
     
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    1; Jesus was NOT the founder of Christianity. Jesus was a Jew. Christianity wasn't established as an religion until after his death.

    2; The concept of a divine trinity (one god taking the forms of multiple beings at the same time) existed well before Christianity.

    3; The Trinity became the common Christian dogma following the Council of Trent, which established a uniform Christian dogma.
     
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    Council of Trent, huh?
     
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    Christianity was effectively established when Jesus handpicked his twelve apostles.
     
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    Daggdag:

    Your comment #2 is right on point.

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    it's just me:

    It works both ways. You've just revealed to those reading this thread that you have joined many message boards, peddling the same argumentative remarks.

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    What exactly are the questions again?
     
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    Is it possible to prove anything empirically in the field of religion? The answer is no.
     
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    Please the Christ did indeed teach the Trinity. Please see Matthew 28. Go ye therefore into all nations teaching them and baptizing them in the Name of the Father Son and Holy Spirit
     
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    Does it say anything anywhere about God AND Christ doing anything together? It refers to the Son "sitting on the right hand of the Father" but never explains what that means. But does it say anything about any two of the "Trinity" doing anything together?
     
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    garyd:

    The cherry-picked verse from Matthew 28:19 does not support your claim that "Christ did indeed teach the Trinity." The mentioning of three entities within the same sentence does not amount to them being combined into a single god.

    QUESTION #1 to garyd: If you were to mention yourself, your biological father, and one of your father's possessions--within the same sentence--would that mean that you are saying your biological father and you and your father's possession are a single human?

    Let me know.

    Alter2Ego
     
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    Since Christ and the Bible maintain that there is but one God and states that He and The Father are one and the same, Does not correct Thomas when He Addresses him as my Lord and My God rather than one of my Gods. And further does not correct the similar statement by Peter and also states at another point If you have seen me you have seen the Father. Your argument is less than winning.
     
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    Isaiah 9:6 - "For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."

    John 10:30 - "I and the Father are one."
     
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    How about if we start with the passage that says Jesus is Michael the Archangel?
     
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    And it's funny, I never get a straight answer from you.

     

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