Where Is The “Climate Emergency”?

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  1. dgrichards

    dgrichards Well-Known Member

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    The article is unworthy of notice, let alone challenge. You bozos have yet to come up with a credible source!!!
     
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    No it doesn't: the graph doesn't even indicate if it is counting fires in America, or any country, but only "active" fires: what about non-active fires? For example, I want all national crime events, not what crimes were committed this week in Siberia. No such details can be found in the graph on this discussion board. Why don't you link to the source website? What are you hiding?

    JavaScript, JScript, and HTML code is not the raw empirical data which should be thousands of data points listed in a spreadsheet--Zoe is just drawing pictures. Your response hasn't addressed the many questions concerning how the data was collected, categorized, and interpreted. It is just a graph created by some guy that could of used MicroSoft Paint to get the same results. LoL!
    Wildfires in Turkey threaten beach resorts | DW News

    Wildfires rage across Europe fed by wind and soaring temperatures | DW
     
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  3. Kyklos

    Kyklos Well-Known Member Donor

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    This is a new low: fake scientism. And my actual source code for my fake graph:
    SourceCode.png

     
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  4. Jack Hays

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    Here's the peer-reviewed research on global wildfires.

    Global trends in wildfire and its impacts: perceptions versus ...
    https://royalsocietypublishing.org › doi › rstb.2015.0345


    by SH Doerr · 2016 · Cited by 269 — In addition to direct impacts on people and economic losses, fires also have other substantial effects on society through indirect impacts. Post ...
    Introduction · ‎Have fire impacts increased in many regions around the globe?

    Global trends in wildfire and its impacts | Royal Society
    https://royalsociety.org › blog › 2020/10 › global-trend...


    Oct 2, 2020 — Overview · Fire activity is on the rise in some regions, but when considering the total area burned at the global level, we are still not seeing ...
     
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    This post conveys a message that seems to reflect fear of the data.
     
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  6. dgrichards

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    What I fear most is talking to fools! We're done!
     
  7. Kyklos

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    “If you give a climate arsonist four more years in the White House, why would anyone be surprised if we have more of America ablaze?”--Joe Biden

    How oil capitalists conspired to spread climate change denialism — in 1988:Starting decades ago, powerful corporations spread a sophistic climate change denialist ideology. Here's how

    Lassen county where Dixie is located voted over 72% for the famous Climate Denialer, and Vaccine Denialer Donald Trump. They hate Gov. Newsom, but now they need state government help so their little secret remains secret. This Dixie fire has raged for almost a month burning now nearing HALF A MILLION ACRES (489,000 acres, or larger than New York City) and is today only 21% contained. Yet, with all the destruction, the cable news networks never say the words "climate change" and is constantly announcing the pandemic is over causing multiple waves of new infections in California.
     
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  8. Jack Hays

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    The data are the data.
     
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    There is a lot of ignorance around global warming. Scientists that believe man is contributing are vilified because they do not parrot the exact preferred dogma. The fear mongering about climate change is based on a ‘business as usual’ climate model but the worst case, least likely model. Many scientists do not approve of this but there are billions tied up in the dogma.

    Media repeats often ignorant stances based on little understanding of what they report on.

    The general public are simply pawns to be used to support an agenda.
     
  10. Sunsettommy

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    It is clear you can't disprove the article which are based on official data, thus you made no case at all.

    Cheers.
     
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    I accept your surrender.

    The article remains unchallenged.

    Cheers.
     
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    A fool is one who dismisses different opinions or data based on their own narrow biases.
     
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    I has been provided but you ignore it and stick out your tongue. Pretending the evidence is not there because you disagree with the evidence is petulant.
     
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    No actually its been repudiated ou just disagree with the repudiation and stick out your tongue again. Its tiresome which explains his annoyance with you. Even your term "accept surrender" l
    owers you. This is a forum where we discuss issues not engage in war and surrender. You use that expression because you see things in rights and wrongs, blacks and whites.

    Many of us have had children and gone through the terrible twos, fours, teenage years. We get it.
     
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    Using the above criteria that could easily apply to you and climate deniers. What was your point?
     
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  17. Jack Hays

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    Actually, the point of contention is one poster's refusal to engage the evidence provided by another, and I think you have the roles backward.
     
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    I think a lot of these AGW proponents relish this issue as a way to manufacture just another cultural divide more so than they are actually true believers. It is why they ignore in their reporting/commentary that humans, at worst, only account for the sharpest edge of the warming trend and humans, at best, can only make a small dent in the trend.

    Anyway, pollution is bad. Species extinction is bad. Maybe we should focus on those things as it is something we can have an actual meaningful impact upon.
     
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    In response to the above comments from Sunsent:

    Sunset your comments make no sense.


    You contend:

    1-"there is evidence of global warming that it isn't unusual and rates similar in the past decades"

    2-you then state: "If the Earth's climate is approaching a disequilibrium, or is already in a disequilibrium of existential climate instability, global temperature change and acceleration rates would have to be unprecedented."

    3-then you state: By using the IPCC's gold-standard (HadCrut) of global temperature measurements, it can be determined if the global temperatures at the end of 2020 are exhibiting an amount of change and/or acceleration that are unprecedented.

    One can only guess what fragmented and disjointed arguments you were posing. I can only assume you are arguing there is no unprecedented change in global warming rates.

    In fact most persons arguing against global warming don't deny the world is warming and causing major issues they only argue the speed and sometimes the exact causes.

    Here is what you claim to be arguing against:


    https://www.ipcc.ch/sr15/chapter/chapter-1/


    https://www.ipcc.ch/sr15/chapter/chapter-3

    You have provided no data to repudiate the above. You have provided no data that states there has been no unusual increase in global warming/

    The only thing I can guess is you went to these articles:

    https://www.c3headlines.com/2013/02...mate-sensitivity-is-lower-than-predicted.html

    https://www.c3headlines.com/2021/07...d-has-been-cooling-those-stubborn-facts-.html

    Hpwever its clear you may not be able to understand them let alone explain them and so the disjointed statements.

    Those articles you quote misrepresent how the data was collected let alone how it is used:

    https://public.wmo.int/en/our-mandate/climate/wmo-statement-state-of-global-climate

    https://www.climate-lab-book.ac.uk/comparing-cmip5-observations/

    https://crudata.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/

    https://www.pri.org/stories/2016-05...-how-hot-earth-has-gotten-over-past-165-years

    https://amt.copernicus.org/preprints/amt-2020-454/amt-2020-454.pdf

    https://www.climaterealityproject.org/blog/why-15-degrees-danger-line-global-warming

    As for the unprecedented rates why you would try argue they do not exist is anyone's guess:

    https://www.theguardian.com/environ.../nov/13/global-warming-underestimated-by-half

    The fact is if you want to deny unusual global warming increases you have a lot of things you will need to deny not just removing an article from its actual context and who are you kidding you won't make it past the first sentence:

    http://www.globalwarming-sowhat.com/warm--cool-/

    The evidence has always been there you just will not read it or more likely do not know how to read it.
     
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    this thread has not aged well
     
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    It looks like "climate changed" denying Janesville in Lassen County California just north of smoldering Dixie is next on the menu.

    Fire Threatens Second California Town as Heat Stokes Flames

     
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    No it shows the exact opposite. Before you call anyone who disagrees with you a fool understand your name calling only goes to prove your complete lack of credibility
     
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    I did put up on this thread many times. You ignoring what I posted and refusing to debate what is posted and pretending you do not know what the subject matter is and make farting noises is to be expected.
     
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