Where is the mandate?

Biden announced in early September that employers of 100+ workers must require vaccination of those workers. But where is the text of the law or rule or order or w/e it is? People are getting fired over this right now ...you'd think there would be some law written down somewhere.

"According to several sources, so far it appears no such mandate has been sent to the White House’s Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs yet for approval. The White House, the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA), and the Department of Labor haven’t released any official guidance for the alleged mandate. There is no executive order. There’s nothing but press statements."
Joe Biden's Vaccine Mandate Doesn't Exist. It's Just A Press Release (thefederalist.com)

It kinda sounds like a bluff.

I browsed the Federal Register myself (cuz, you know, fake news and all), and nothing jumped out...
Federal Register :: Document Search Results for 'vaccine'

Is America now ruled by press statements? Whats going on here? Do you know where this thing is?

 

Here's the EO Requiring Coronavirus Disease 2019 Vaccination for Federal Employees on the Federal Register. Its rather short, and does not include any rule or regulation for private companies, and interestingly, doesn't appear to include federal contractors either, even though Biden announced that it would...

 

29 views and no replies. Sounds like NO ONE knows!

 

Biden likely knew the media would carry his water for him, just the threat alone would be credible enough from "the President of the United States" and we saw from Garland that he is NOT above intimidation tactics.

 

If true, then America is ruled by press statements.

 

Biden's fatwa!

 

Ah, the benefits of self employment!

 

Here it is

Southwest, American Airlines Rebuff Texas Gov, Will Comply With Biden Vaccine Mandates
The airlines said federal law "supersedes" any state action, a blow to Republican Gov. Greg Abbott.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/sout...s-vaccine-mandates_n_61663db4e4b0f3be08dc0a41

 

So where's the federal law?

 

I don't see why they even need mandates. Had I any employees who wanted to expose me to a disease that is both agonizing and fatal for NO other reason that to somehow spare Trump's feelings (and this would be while Trump himself had NO POSSIBLE knowledge of their sacrifice and would have cared even less) You can bet I would have one less employee very quickly.

This whole business of antivax truly COMPELS me to make this observation.
COMMENTS EDITED

 

See this is how it should be. But then govt gets involved...

 

your link goes to another link that goes to another link that says: "The Department of Labor’s Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) is developing a rule that will require all employers with 100 or more employees to ensure their workforce is fully vaccinated or require any workers who remain unvaccinated to produce a negative test result on at least a weekly basis before coming to work. OSHA will issue an Emergency Temporary Standard (ETS) to implement this requirement. This requirement will impact over 80 million workers in private sector businesses with 100+ employees."

"...is developing..." "...will require..." "...will issue..."

So it DOESN"T exist. It may in the future, but as of now, countless people all over the nation are being fired over a law ('rule'?) that does not exist.

Additionally, given that the option to 'test-out' has been removed, its clear your source's source's source is citing information that has already been rendered obsolete, and that likely means its just citing fedgov's aforementioned press statements and not any actual knowledge of impending legislation.

 

Probably was a bluff, but it worked, many more got their vaccine

 

It sounds like you approve of this tactic?

 

sure, I see nothing wrong with it

it gets the message out there of the importance of vaccines, many heard it loud and clear

 

Dare I ask... how did you feel about 'Trumps lies'?

 

Also from a link within Durandel's post is this from the White House:

The President announced vaccination requirements for the federal government in July and called on the private sector to do more to encourage vaccination as well.

Don't see a law yet.

 

wan't a lie, he was looking to do it, maybe he could not, so he just did not say any more about it - people thought it was coming, so got the vaccine

 

the same is applicable to many of the things cited as 'Trumps lies'...

But that's interesting- "maybe he could not". Why do you think maybe he could not?

 

could you give us an example of a Trump lie you're referring too?

I do not know why he could not, maybe white house lawyers said he could not, don't know

 

I think this might be it: https://www.osha.gov/laws-regs/regulations/standardnumber/1910/1910.502

 

Sure. "Trump doesn't have a healthcare plan" (aka 'If Trump has a healthcare plan, no one has seen it'). Regurgitated ad nauseum by the likes of CNN, MSNBC, etc, and their numerous repeaters (do you need citations?) on the list of 'Trump Lies.'

The part of it that relaxed restrictions for small businesses was invalidated by the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, and appeals were ongoing until Biden was elected.

The part that tried to expand short term health plans, which were far more affordible for individuals, didn't work because those plans were banned in 11 states.

Trumps first attempt to overhaul the healthcare system in 2017 was blocked by a 'rebellion' of some Pub. conservative moderates and all the Dem. obstuctionists in the HoR.

These failures were generally added to the list of 'Trump Lies' by the MSM based on the logic that 'he must've known it wouldn't work, therefore it was a lie to say he could do it.'

Would you agree with this sentiment?

 

I don't think so. Not only is it from June, so 3 months before Biden claimed a mandate was forthcoming, but it seems to only be mentioning healthcare workers and I havn't found a single mention of vaccines in it anywhere, much less a mandate for them. Its more of a update for guidelines for how healthcare workers should protect themselves with PPE and social distancing while and after treating covid or potential covid patients.

But I do appreciate your help in trying to find this illusive mandate!

 

Trump never had a healthcare plan, had he just said he was gonna pass a better one, that would not of been a lie, but he said he had a plan and would implement it on day one, that was a lie

sure he tried to do some things later, but that was not the lie

that one, I do not blame Trump for though, as much screaming republicans did about repeal and replace under Obama, Trump just assumed republicans in congress actually had a plan

 

Here it is: Executive Order on Requiring Coronavirus Disease 2019 Vaccination for Federal Employees | The White House

Whether the President actually really has the lawful authority to do this is a different question. But if the courts back him up on this, then it will be like the same thing as the law.

Vaccination and/or Testing Requirements for Employers with 100+ Employees

The Department of Labor’s Occupational Safety and Health Administration (“OSHA”) is developing a rule that will require all employers with 100 or more employees to either ensure their workforce is fully vaccinated or require any workers who remain unvaccinated to produce a negative test result on at least a weekly basis before coming to work.

OSHA will issue an Emergency Temporary Standard (“ETS”) to implement this requirement in coming weeks. If employers do not comply, OSHA will take enforcement action, which could include fines up to $14,000 per violation.​

White House Announces New Federal Rules Requiring COVID-19 Vaccine and Testing Mandates | Burr & Forman - JDSupra

What a lot of people don't realize is there are already endless laws on the books that hand over the power to make regulations to various bureaucrats and officials, and these regulations have the force of law.

These laws can often be very openly interpreted in ways that are not straightforward, to make regulations which people are not sure if that law should give them the power to make.