Which part of the US will succumb, to SEA LEVEL RISE, first?

Not really. It has been happening for thousands of years, and will continue for thousands of years more.

 

Possibly a few billion more, but the human race won't be around to worry.

 

I do not even try to talk in that type of time scale. Now you are talking about things like Plate Tectonics and entire continents rising and falling.

Like how most of the area around Carlsbad NM and El Paso TX used to be sea floor, but is now over a mile in altitude. And the Appalachians were the highest mountain range in the history of the planet, now worn down so only the hard cores of the mountains remain.

In the last 680,000 years, we have had at least 8 distinct glaciations. And most of what we know of climates of these comes from fossil records.

And if people think it is hot now, check out the last interglacial, between 110-130 thousand years ago.

Commonly called the Eemian or Riss-Worm, this one saw hardwood forests like Oak growing in areas north of the Arctic Circle.

Now oaks are an important tree when judging ancient climate, because it only lives in semitropical and semi-arid climates. So finding them in an area like Northern Alaska and Finland-Norway means that their climate at the time could not have been much more severe then Oregon-Washington is today. And it must have been that way for a long period of time. Enough for the permafrost to have permanently dried up, and turf and soil to take hold for the forest to rise up.

And it is not only plants. Everybody knows that the Hippo is an animal of warm areas, typically hot and humid jungles and marshes. But in this same time period, hippos lived in the Thames River.

And sea levels were 4-6 meters higher then they are today.

For those that scream "global Armageddon" and "Global Warming" really do not know what they are talking about. We are nowhere even close to what conditions were like before the last Ice Age began. And I have seen nothing to indicate that this should be reversing any time soon.

 

My gut instinct is that the NC outer banks and some of the lower lying Chesapeake areas like Tangiers and Chincoteague. Salt water incursion further up freshwater streams will probably be a bigger problem initially than land loss along the Atlantic. I doubt the west coast would be as affected as the east though.

 

The seas have been rising at a fairly uniform rate since the last glaciation and there's little hard evidence that the rate of change today is outwith normal natural progression. The sea level red herring is just another natural phenomenon being hijacked to support a political agenda.

http://ourchangingclimate.wordpress.com/2011/01/18/past-current-future-sea-level-rise-graphs/

As ever its only when you put wild short term alarmist claims into some kind of realistic historical perspective does the truth finally emerge from the hype

 

wasn't Florida supposed to be under water already? that is what your guru Al Gore predicted back in the eighties
Let me tell you the story about a boy who cried wolf

 

I did not intend to imply that I expect some Hollywood blockbuster type rise in sea levels, but I do still expect salt water incursion to be the bigger issue than land loss. Areas like the Outer Banks are particularly vulnerable even with no rise in sea levels.

 

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what part of Canada is semitropical?... we'll need to inform the oaks growing here they'll have to move south....

 

There's not a whole lot we can do about it except adapt to the changed conditions just like we always have

 

and everyone knows lions elephants and monkeys are tropical animals, mmmm not that simple...lions elephants and monkeys have cold weather variants, just as the modern wolf comes in arctic, sub arctic, temperate and desert species...the Hippo was no different there were unique european hippo species and they survived several ice ages...

 

I worry less about our ability to adapt and more about vulnerable species' ability to adapt. We are not doing a bang up job protecting our freshwater streams and rivers as is, let alone have more of them become brackish.

 

Its been happening for millenia and long before there was anybody here to worry about it. Creatures will adapt or they wont its just mother nature doing what she does. Asides from tackling our obvious river pollution issues I don't feel there's any other responsibility for humanity to try to intervene in this natural process frankly

 

I wouldn't be opposed to trying some system of locks on some of the big rivers. IDK. There is only so much we can do anyway.

 

As old habitats are gradually destroyed new ones will be created to take their place . Intervening in this natural process in any way would be fundamentally wrong in my view. Let nature take its course and let the chips fall where they may

 

Are you being purposefully stupid, or is this some kind of irony that I do not comprehend?

I am talking about the Eemian Interglacial, not now.

During this time period between Ice Ages (kind of like what we are in now), there were oaks growing along the shoreline of Northern Canada.

And that is the entire point. If the last time between one Ice Age and another we had oaks growing in North Canada and Finland, why would we not expect that to be repeated? Which means that the ice cap has to go away, and for long enough for hardwood forests to grow in that region.

But those are not "Lions, Elephants and Monkeys" as most people think of them.

Lions and Monkeys have frequently adapted to cold climates, as seen in North American and European Lions (now extinct), and Primates (such as the Japanese macaque - a tropical derivative that has learned to adapt by using natural hot springs). So sorry, you are not making your point very well even at the beginning.

And yes, the mastodon and mammoth did evolve to cold climates, but those were Elephants as in the family Proboscidea, not Elephants as we know of them today.

European Hippopotamus was basically a European relative of the African Hippo. And it lived in the same temperature zones as contemporary hippos. But please, if you have some kind of evidence that they lived in a considerably colder climate, please present it to us!

And yes, I am well aware that the European Hippo did not survive the "ice ages", it dies at the onset of the last Ice Age, as it topical home on the Thames disappeared.

Nice try though, nice try. The European Hippopotamus (also known as Hippopotamus antiquus) became extinct at the start of the last ice age.

Sorry, you will have to do better then that if you want to discredit me.

 

The problem with these people is that they are at both times science lovers, and science deniers.

They claim that Evolution is king, and that all animals evolve. And yet at the same time, claim that animals are going extinct, and we must do everything in our power to save them, because it is all our fault.

Funny, but if one believes in Evolution, they must also believe in natural selection. And since we are not in an ice age (and most of the megafauna has already died), that both climate change and evolution is continuing. And that as one species dies off, another will rise to take it's place (if needed).

But for some reason, to these individuals every death is the fault of man, and it is not natural, and everything will fall apart.

Funny, but that does not compute with the Evolutionary Theory I am aware of.

 

What happens when it is warmer? Well for one, more evaporation. That water goes somewhere, usually as rain and snow in other parts of the world. More snow, more less absorption of solar energy and more snow cover, like we are experiencing now which leads to no warming or cooling, like we have experienced the last decade and a half. There is even evidence that the sea level in the Maldives, the poster child for rising waters, has dropped in the last 30 years. This would be one of the natural control loops for temperature.

 

Well, that is just a common sense concern. I heard a saying a long time ago, don't know if it is true, but an Indian asked a white man why we pee in our drinking water. There is plenty of concern about what we pump into our resources that we need to survive off of like water and air. Nothing wrong with trying to do a cleaner job. Other countries would eventually catch up as their peoples lifestyles increase like ours has.

Right now the biggest concern for increasing the other countries lifestyles is that the whole world is living beyond it's means by living off of debt. That will come to an end at some point in time and at that time it will be a few steps backward.

 

If you're a catastrophist, every millimetre is important and must be counted, then add a few for good measure.

 

It would be a lot safer and cheaper than geoengineering and carbon taxes.

 

That ignores something else altogether. Man's lifestyle has been improving at a constant rate for the last 100 years. Geoengineering and carbon taxes are not cheap as it would again remove wealth from the natural market and lower everyone's lifestyle. There is absolutely no proof that CAGW is a reality and the last decade and 1/2 of the warming hiatus should be a clue. The IPCC lowering their projections each report because the temps are not following the projections should give you a heads up that they are missing something significant.

 

Thanks for the heads up, but you're preaching to the choir, I'm not a catastrophist.

 

We haven't seen any credible evidence there will be any increase in sea levels in the foreseeable future.

 

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Quit spamming that jonova cartoon, with your scat.

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All right. Here's four of the links you guys couldn't find, on the net or in some thread:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/04/world/asia/nauru-ocean-danger/

http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/1113003045/sea-level-rise-threatens-islands-111413/

http://www.voanews.com/content/rising-sea-levels-threaten-island-nations-122628579/169667.html

http://www.businessinsider.com/islands-threatened-by-climate-change-2012-10?op=1

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Shucks. I guess the melting perennial ice will all re-freeze, in Antarctica, despite warming currents. NOT!

You have to have your widdle head way, way up somewhere dark, to avoid noticing how CO2 is LEADING temps AND sea level rise.

THAT means the worst is yet, to come.

 

Coastal areas at sea level.