Whites OBJECTIVELY Have Less Rights than Minorities

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  1. ShadowX

    ShadowX Well-Known Member

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    As citizens of the USA we have the right to not be systematically and institutionally discriminated against based upon race, sex or ethnicity. Unless you’re a white male of course. In which case it is legal and perfectly acceptable to both socially and institutionally discriminate against you.

    EVERY group in this country has the ability to group together and advocate for policy that explicitly benefits their race at the exclusion of the white population and it’s perfectly acceptable. Whereas if white people form a group to advocate for policy that benefits the white population, they are immediately and roundly declared racist, bigoted white supremacists.

    For example we have the congressional black caucus, BET, the congressional Hispanic caucus, National Association of Black accountants, black MBA association, National Association of Blacks in HR, AA national sales network, organization of black designers, National Association of Blacks in engineering, National Association of Black physicists, black culinary alliance, association of blacks in government, etc etc. I could go on for days.

    But if any ONE of those groups was changed to white instead of black, they would immediately be declared a racist organization. I challenge anyone to name even ONE group that you can join as a white person that advocates for policies that advance the white populations interests that doesn’t get you IMMEDIATELY declared a racist.

    But not only are whites socially and culturally disadvantaged, but we are institutionally and systematically discriminated against through government policy and programs that deny us entry and/or access to the same resources EVERY other race gets.

    Our government provides grants, loans and subsidies to black farmers that I can’t get access to because the color of my skin is white.
    https://www.usda.gov/media/press-re...grants-help-veterans-and-minority-farmers-get

    Through the SBA program 8a we provide grants, loans and government contracts to minority business owners that I can’t get access to or have to jump through a bunch of hoops that NO other race has to jump through simply because the color of my skin is white.
    https://www.sba.gov/federal-contrac...ance-programs/8a-business-development-program

    We provide tax credits to businesses that hire minority... excuse me, non-white contractors. A benefit that as a white person I don’t provide to my employer making it FAR less likely I will get the job.
    https://smallbusiness.chron.com/tax-incentives-using-minorityowned-business-30659.html

    And I haven’t even begun to start on the DOZENS of state and local government programs across the country that discriminates against us. Such as NY setting aside $3B for minority business owners that I can’t access because the color of my skin is white.
    https://www.blackenterprise.com/new-york-city-3-billion-black-minority-businesses/

    The left has created an entire vernacular which makes it acceptable to discriminate against white people. They use the terms minority and majority instead of non-whites and whites respectively because it makes their policies seem less racist. They use terms like socially and historically disadvantaged which is nothing more than terms to describe non-white, non-male, non-Christian, and non-straight. ALL categories which are unconstitutional to discriminate against.

    Whites are OBJECTIVELY the most systematically discriminated against group in this country.
     
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    The first best, zero discrimination, has not been achieved. Passive policies such as equal pay legislation has not, for example, eliminated outcomes that favour white males. In this environment adding discrimination is actually both efficient and more equitable. Positive discrimination provides for an outcome that generates a fairer outcome.
     
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    You cant reach a color blind society by discriminating against white males

    That reminds me of the sign that reads “the beatings will continue till morale improves”
     
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    Outside of extreme dictatorial tyranny legislation of equality of outcome is an impossibility. Therefore advancing policy that explicitly discriminates against a group in order to achieve that impossibility is nothing more than obfuscation of racism under the guise of equality.

    And let me make sure I understand you. You willfully acknowledge policies that discriminated against blacks were irreparably harmful to their group, so your solution now is to place that EXACT same type of discrimination onto the white population?

    So I’ll ask you. Is it constitutional to discriminate against a group based upon their race or not?
     
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    Btw there’s no such thing as “reverse discrimination”. It’s just discrimination.
     
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    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    Actually it's a simple reference to the theory of the second best. We know that zero discrimination is the optimal outcome. However, via empirical evidence, we know that has not been achieved. In that circumstance, positive discrimination dominates the analysis. It's also been found to be highly successful. For example, countries where it is illegal continue to have more severe discrimination problems.
     
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    Wasn’t a discrimination free society a goal of Hitler?
     
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    Snotloller so IMPLICIT discrimination against SOME within a group is wrong. But explicit discrimination against an ENTIRE group in an effort to minimize the implicit discrimination is acceptable?

    Are you even serious right now or are you being purposefully ridiculous?
     
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    Its mere correct use of discrimination analysis. To argue against it you'd have to show that the first best of zero discrimination has been achieved. Empirical evidence shows otherwise.

    Those who argue against positive discrimination are effectively demanding greater inefficiency and inequity. They don't seem to care about that mind you...
     
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    Lol...You poor dear. How ever do you cope?
    But don't worry, we shall overcomb.
    Our obese orange hope will show us the way.
    By the grace of trump, we pink-skins will reclaim our rightful place at the top of the shitpile.
     
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    No you don’t. Because that is not the best POSSIBLE outcome. The outcome of zero discrimination is an impossibility.

    The best POSSIBLE outcome is to remove systemic, institutionalized racism. The type of racism you are proposing is good and beneficial.
     
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    But since you’re for positive discrimination that demands greater efficiency.

    Would you support a policy which positively discriminated against the black population in an effort to reduce their absurd rate of violent crime? Representing less than 13% of the total population and yet committing 52% of our murder. Such as stop and frisk focused on blacks and increased penalties on blacks who commit violent crime?

    Or would that be racist and discriminatory?
     
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    So just to clarify... you think government sponsored discrimination against whites is acceptable?
     
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    Emotionalism has clouded your argument. If you wanted to undertake a criminology analysis into race you would have to control for numerous other variables. For example, we know that economic opportunity will impact on crime. Ehrlich, for example, uses opportunity cost concepts to explain socioeconomic differences in crime activity.

    The problem for you is that positive discrimination is understood in terms of correct application of empirical evidence. In contrast, you're just making claim based on spurious conclusion.
     
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    Source that claim of empirical evidence.

    And blacks commit a disproportionate level of violent crime AT EVERY INCOME LEVEL as compared to their peers within that same income level. Therefore economic opportunity doesn’t explain the disproportionate level of violent crime.

    Furthermore given that we have AMPLE evidence of blacks and other minorities succeeding in the environment you’re claiming is disproportionately racist against them then some other factor such as upbringing is far better explained for their failure as a group to advance their position than discrimination is.

    But notice everyone. The left thinks whites DESERVE to be discriminated against. Simply because they’re white. Even if you’re a poor white from Appalachia who grew up with no opportunity or even shoes... you deserve to be discriminated against because your skin color is white. While the black guy who grew up in the Hamptons with billion dollar parents doesn’t deserve to be discriminated against.
     
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    We don't need a 'color blind' society. Individualism is lost that way. IMO, it is more along the lines of color not mattering in terms of equality (along with all the other tags people like to use to separate themselves from other humans)

    Been in my office lately? That sign is on my tack board.... :D
     
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    Yes...it's so hard being a white male in America because there isn't a National Association of White Accountants. How will I ever get through the day? I'm such a victim. Please feel bad for me.
     
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    This continues to be a spurious.claim. You need to refer to a regression analysis which tests the hypothesis that blacks, ceteris paribus, are more likely to commit crime. We both know you will not be able to achieve that. However, I'll give you the opportunity to prove otherwise...
     
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    There’s nothing spurious about it. We have empirical data that shows that blacks commit disproportionately higher levels of violent crime at EVERY level of income than their peers.
     
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    So just to clarify. You think government sponsored discrimination against whites is acceptable?
     
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    There is no govt sponsored discrimination against whites.
     
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    So providing tax credits for hiring ANY other race of contractor except for white people isn’t government sponsored discrimination against whites?

    And you wouldn’t consider it discrimination if we provided farmers of every race government grants and loans... except for black farmers who didn’t qualify?
     
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    This is a nonsensical assertion you posted here. We White men are in fact, the most powerful and most influential and of course, the most-wealthy group, in the USA. No group is a close, second, therefore this thread comes off as fearmongering over our diminishing White Privilege which USA White males are experiencing.

    White men are the nation's best, experts, at grouping together and at advocating for policy which explicitly benefits our White race. And especially, when it comes to manipulating Race-neutral policies into stealthily benefiting White people the most.
     
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    Soooo nothing to say about the programs that explicitly discriminate against white people?

    Just more blathering about nebulous concepts like white privilege and a shadow society protecting white people with nothing to back it up?
     
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    White farmers can't get loans at all? Really? You ever been denied the ability to get mortgage loan? Car loan? Business loan? You act like white people aren't able to get loans.
     
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