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Who Are "Wrong" to Colonize and Take Land from Other People?

Discussion in 'Opinion POLLS' started by Greataxe, Jan 7, 2018.

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Who was wrong for stealing land?

  1. Only Whites when they take over lands of non-Whites.

    2 vote(s)
    7.4%

  2. Only Whites when they invade anywhere.

    1 vote(s)
    3.7%

  3. All people groups have been wrong to take the land of other people regardless of the circumstances.

    7 vote(s)
    25.9%

  4. Ignorant barbarians and savages can steal land because they are ignorant, backward and savage.

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%

  5. It's not wrong for Christians to take land because they spread civilization, justice and their faith

    1 vote(s)
    3.7%

  6. It's not wrong for Muslims to take land because they spead---uh, Islam.

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%

  7. I don't want to answer this and I want to go to my safe space now.

    3 vote(s)
    11.1%

  8. Other, please explain.

    13 vote(s)
    48.1%
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  1. yiostheoy

    yiostheoy Well-Known Member

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    The pre-1900's Native American Indians were like the ancient Greek city states -- they hated each other as much as they hated their enemies.
     
    yiostheoy, Jan 9, 2018
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  2. Greataxe

    Greataxe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Comanche made and broke alliances with even the Apache as their territories and power went down.

    Herman Lehmann (June 5, 1859 – February 2, 1932) was captured as a child by Native Americans. He lived first among the Apache and then the Comanche but eventually returned to his family later on in his life. The phenomenon of a "white boy" raised by "Indians" made him a notable figure in the United States. He published his autobiography, Nine Years Among the Indians in 1927.

    Read his book if you are interested.
     
    Greataxe, Jan 10, 2018
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    Heartburn Well-Known Member

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    Try Empire of The Summer Moon, I did. There are a number of books on the subject and I'm sure all have their own conclusions.
     
    Heartburn, Jan 10, 2018
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    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So were the whites of both Europe and the USA. In fact, they continued to do so into the 1900s.
     
    JakeJ, Jan 11, 2018
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    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Correct. According to them, the Chinese would rape, torture, murder and mass murder anyone they wished to, using women and children as human shields, use young American women in rape camps, and totally slaughter in neighborhood, city or state they wanted to. They are arguing for perfect sociopathic amorality as their own moral code.
     
    JakeJ, Jan 11, 2018
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    jay runner Banned

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    The history of the world is primarily about monarchs, Caesars (czars), politicians, and generals with their military fighting forces who participated in the subduing, if not the genocide, of a foreign society for spoils and profits for their own society and personal political aggrandizement -- or who lost in their attempt to do so.

    It always will be so while homo sapiens still exist. That's why we memorized all those dates and names in history classes -- to see the continuity of it.
     
    jay runner, Jan 11, 2018
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  7. Pycckia

    Pycckia Well-Known Member

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    Sure. The Turks came from Turkministan. There have been Kurds in Kurdistan for as long as history records.
     
    Pycckia, Jan 11, 2018
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    Chester_Murphy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Everyone should go back to their ancestral homes. No one deserves to live..........wait, anywhere.......wait. that's not what I meant. I wonder if Russia wants the native americans, Africa the blacks and Europe the Caucasians? pfft lol
     
    Chester_Murphy, Jan 11, 2018
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  9. jay runner

    jay runner Banned

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    imo prehistoric man was a great deal more nomadic and covered a lot more ground and sexually interacted with other prehistoric nomads a lot more than scientists think they did. I doubt that anyone can find their ancestral home. It was bands on the run.
     
    jay runner, Jan 11, 2018
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  10. Chester_Murphy

    Chester_Murphy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I've read things that would either take us all back to Africa, Europe, or the Middle East. I don't think they can be certain. I guess my point is, we can't change the past. It's detrimental to live in it.
     
    Chester_Murphy, Jan 11, 2018
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    But it's good to know what happened in the past.
     
    jay runner, Jan 11, 2018
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    Chester_Murphy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If it's the truth.

    Every writer has an agenda. Every reader has one. Who is right and wrong? What is the truth? My contention is, there is no truth. There is only what we believe to be true.
     
    Chester_Murphy, Jan 11, 2018
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    People say that yet turn around and call whites in Africa invaders.
     
    Empress, Jan 11, 2018
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    Chester_Murphy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Don't take that post too seriously. It wasn't meant to be. Blacks = Asians= whites= natives=etc. in this country. It makes no difference to me. I know good and bad folks. Their race didn't make them that way.
     
    Chester_Murphy, Jan 11, 2018
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    So white Americans are immigrants!
     
    Nonnie, Jan 12, 2018
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    taxpaying legal immigrants who assimilated into society for their own good and the good of the nation for the most part
     
    Chester_Murphy, Jan 12, 2018
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    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A yes would have suffice.
     
    Nonnie, Jan 12, 2018
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    This is a topic that none of us can address in a comprehensive way through a single forum post.
    To do this topic justice it is really is necessary to put human history (and the 'conquests') into proper, logical perspective. This cannot be done quickly or simply.

    For the serious-minded, I highly recommend Nicholas Wade's book, "A Troublesome Inheritance: Genes, Race, and Human History".

    'Conquest'? It's just one manifestation of human evolution, right down to the genetic level....
     
    Pollycy, Jan 12, 2018
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    fmw Well-Known Member

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    Must we have racism in everything?
     
    fmw, Jan 14, 2018
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  20. Greataxe

    Greataxe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Must we run away from the reality of how others besides Whites and Christians have stolen other people's land?

    You are still free to flee to your safe space.
     
    Last edited: Jan 14, 2018
    Greataxe, Jan 14, 2018
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  21. Greataxe

    Greataxe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Is it any better than the rubbish "Guns, Germs and Steel?"
     
    Greataxe, Jan 14, 2018
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    fmw Well-Known Member

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    Who is running away? I'm just sitting here being flooded with racist remarks.
     
    fmw, Jan 14, 2018
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  23. Pollycy

    Pollycy Well-Known Member

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    Truthfully, I don't know. I have not read "Guns, Germs, and Steel" yet.
     
    Pollycy, Jan 14, 2018
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  24. Greataxe

    Greataxe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Don't bother. It's silly.
     
    Greataxe, Jan 15, 2018
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    You'll have to decide if it is better. It is certainly very different.
     
    Pycckia, Jan 15, 2018
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