Who Benefits During These Lock Downs Over COVID?

Lol...why the folks who don't die, of course.
It ain't rocket science, you know.
It just requires a bit of common sense and common decency.
Alien concepts to the trump cult, I know, but everyone else gets it.
Open your eyes.

 

Lockdowns are painful but temporary. Until we get the vaccines, lockdowns save lives. Trump supporter's constant focus on the economy, even when it's at the expense of American lives, makes them appear as cold hearted & uncompassionate as Trump himself. Not very nice people.

 

You have no proof of anything you said. You hate "Trumpers" so you just make up crap they never said.

The violence from Democrats and the left is well documented. Unless you are one of the violent leftists, I don't see why it's so difficult for you to simply admit the violence committed by Democrats and the left. Why do you feel the need to become defensive and lash out so?

 

They didn't save lives the last time they locked us down. Destroying businesses, putting people out of work, causing people to fall into poverty, how is that helpful?

The only people who need to lock down, are those in the high risk categories. Forcing people under forty years old to lock down is freaking destructive, the common flu is more of a threat to them.

It's not compassionate to force young people to lock down, it's stupid, is what it is. Follow the science.

 

How many people died during the last lock down? It didn't work. Locking down young people is asinine. We know the people who are at risk, let's protect them, and not become over emotional and pretend everyone is equally at risk.

 

I haven't made up a thing. These forums are literally choc full of Trump supporters demanding actions that will result in greater COVID deaths, pretending the deaths didn't happen, dismissing the numbers as unimportant, attacking professionals trying to combat the disease and much, much more besides. Trump supporters, some of them heavily armed, have protested against measures that would protect the vulnerable. Some even stormed a state legislature to pressure politicians to stop measures that would save lives.

You choosing to pretend all this didn't happen doesn't change the facts. Trumpers have nothing but contempt for the lives of anyone who is the slightest inconvenience to them - which turns out to be pretty much everyone, especially the old, ill, people who are overweight, have high blood pressure, lung or heart conditions or any of a long list of conditions that make them more vulnerable to COVID. Nothing the left is doing or has done in America comes close to watching 250,000 Americans die while demanding that measures that might have protected them not be taken.

 

Trumpism is the first president in forty year to not have started a new war, new peace deals in the Mid East, lowest employment ever in US history, rising wages, rising median family income, better trade deals like USMCA, all of which were done in four short year, and all of which Biden will undo if he ever gets sworn in.

 

Like what? Who wants more people to die of COVID? No one, so that on it's face is a false assertion by you.

I'm talking about actual violence committed by Hilary, Biden and Sanders voters, and antifa and BLM members. And you equate that level of violence with people typing words on a forum???? Talk about grasping at straws.

Why is it so damn tough for you to just admit to the violence we have been seeing from Democrats and the left for over four years now? They should not be a reflection on you, so why defend them?????

 

Things have been moving that way for a long time if anything covid just sped the process. Its capitalism. And before you give me the whole capitalism requires competition mantra remember this always happens when you have a political system that is dependent on large amounts of money to hold power.

 

You actually believe THAT is a legitimate news source?

Lord help us!

 

"I don't want this man to die of starvation, but he can't have any food."

"They would have died anyway"

Look, I get that conservatives are constitutionally incapable of taking responsibility for the consequences of their own actions. It is foundational - consequences are for others, conservatives are never wrong. So, I don't expect you to understand. How could you. Hiding behind the idea that not specifically advocating for more deaths washes your hands of advocating for courses of action that will cause them is precisely what you are expected to do. It is a neat mental trick that allows you to pretend that treating entire demographics as disposable is unconnected to the deaths of people in those groups. Sacrificing hundreds of thousands on the altar of your personal convenience gets dressed up as a grand defence of 'freedom', but it is no more than pathological selfishness that doesn't care how many people die to satisfy it.

Tell yourself what you will, but that level of contempt for the lives of tens of millions of Americans is hatred by any other name.

Last time I checked none of Sanders, Biden or Hilary had committed any acts of violence. Biden spoke out against riots and the only people who care what Clinton says these days are Trumpers. I personally detest Sanders, so trying to associate me with him is an act of utmost desperation.

Of course all you want to talk about is riots....on a thread you created to talk about COVID. Lots of scary pictures, lots of flame, lots of colour and movement, very few deaths. All of this is a great distraction. Scream DEMOCRATS!!! RIOTS!!! and the right wing hive mind will lock in behind you and none of you will ever have to think about the people who will die because your personal convenience is the most important thing in the world.

For the record, I am strongly opposed to rioting and have said so publically. You are strongly opposed to measures that will save the lives of the vulnerable from COVID and have said so publically. At least one of us has a shread of morality.

 

I recommend you take your own advice. Follow the science. According to science, the Covid virus is about 6 times more deadly than the common flu, & while it kills older & those weakened by preexisting conditions at a higher rate, it also kills healthy people of all ages. It is also far more contagious than the common flu. Keep in mind, these medical people are trying to save you & those you love. Why all the resistance?

 

The whole thing is ludicrous. The orange dotard tells them masks are a commie plot to steal their freedoms and they buy into the ignorant bullshit. I wonder why they don't rebel against wearing seatbelts, or having to cover their genitals in public?
But then, these are the same ones who believe the earth is flat, deny climate change and think vaccines will kill you.

 

Lockdowns are effective at their specific goal, to mitigate spread to help with the burden on the health care system. But that comes at a huge cost in psychological, economic, and social terms. Lockdowns are kind of like intense chemotherapy(as an analogy). They can achieve the end goal but they take a toll.

But I agree with the rest of what you said. Distancing, masks, and hygiene are the best tools we have to prevent the conditions that lead to lockdowns as a last resort. And I hope that the vaccines are as effective as we need them to be.

 

They have. South Korea did it. Australia did it. It worked.
Just not a fan personally.

 

Do you mean all four of them?

 

Would you follow the science if it showed the infection fatality rates of SARS-CoV-2 and seasonal influenza were very similar or at most the IFR of SARS-CoV-2 was only double that of influenza? To actually follow science one must be aware of all the information available. Those making the 6-10 times more deadly claims are ignorant of relevant data pertaining to the IFR of influenza.

 

is that why Trump issued the shutdown guidelines?

 

What rock have you been hiding under. Hilary and Sanders supporters ran around in mobs beating the crap out of Trump supporters.

All summer long, Biden and Harris supported BLM and antifa, never calling them out for their violence. Biden would condemn violence in general, but never call out BLM and antifa who caused the violence. Biden would always infer the violence was caused by white supremacists, even when we have video of BLM and antifa members who were committing the violence.

It sure as hell was not republicans running around in mobs beating Republicans, nor was it Republicans rioting after the election in 2016

More hit streets in SF, Oakland to protest Trump

Anti-Trump protests turn violent: Cops clash with 6,000-strong crowd in Oakland and activists block roads in LA amid nationwide demonstrations that saw Madonna and Cher join 7,000 in NYC

Ugly, bloody scenes in San Jose as protesters attack Trump supporters outside rally

Man Who Shot Black Trump Supporter in Cleveland Now in Police Custody

Trump Surge Freakout: More Violence Against Supporters

and on and on...

 

250,000 dead and Trump supporters still don't care about those vulnerable to COVID. I wonder if there is a figure where they would care. Somehow I doubt it.

 

Trump listened to the so called experts. But after three weeks went by, and these lockdowns continued, it was Trump begging states to open up. Trump's mistake was listening to idiots like Fauci. Fauci and the other bureaucrats like him talk out multiple sides of their mouths. Fauci greases himself up like a pig before he takes to the microphone. Fauci takes every side of any argument, never taking a position so that no one can pin him down to any one thing he said.

We are lucky Trump didn't listen to experts like the one below. But Trump's opponents did, and they royally ridiculed Trump for saying we could create a vaccine before the end of the year, and maybe in November. He was correct of course, they are bottling up the vaccine as we speak. The hate-Trump news media even resorted to fact checkers to demean Trump.

Fact check: Coronavirus vaccine could come this year, Trump says. Experts say he needs a 'miracle' to be right.

“I think it’s possible you could see a vaccine in people’s arms next year — by the middle or end of next year. But this is unprecedented, so it’s hard to predict,” said Dr. Paul Offit, a professor at the Perelman School of Medicine at the University of Pennsylvania and the director of the Vaccine Education Center at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia.

Offit spent 26 years developing a vaccine for rotavirus, a common and dangerous childhood gastrointestinal illness, before it was approved by the Food and Drug Administration in 2006. He said vaccine development typically takes decades, but that efforts to counter COVID-19 are being fast-tracked by scientists, drug companies and nations — rallied by the World Health Organization — to meet the threat posed by the coronavirus, which has killed hundreds of thousands and decimated economies across the globe.

 

wonder how many of them were Trump supporters in swing states?

 

Trump mistake was listening to his gut and not listening to the experts

as for the Trump shutdown, he never reversed his shutdown guidelines or his reopen guidelines

 

The common flu is a danger to young and healthy people. This coronavirus is not equally lethal to everyone. You make the wild claim that it's six times deadlier than the flu, even when you know that young people have a very high resistance to it, so much so that it is literally much less of a threat to them than the common flu.

I've always made the point that people in high risk categories are in danger from this virus. Then again, people with multiple comorbidity are also in much greater danger with the common flu than the general population.

 

It does appear that Donald Trump and Steve Mnuchin want to destroy small businesses, no?