Who Is Most Responsible for the SUCCESS of the Christian Religion?

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Who Is Most Responsible for the SUCCESS of the Christian Religion?

Poll closed May 7, 2021.
  1. Jesus

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    37.5%
  2. Paul

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    12.5%
  3. Constantine

    8 vote(s)
    50.0%
  1. The Amazing Sam's Ego

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    Christianity was not spread by war. People used Christianity for their own gain, but that had nothing to do with the teachings of Christ. https://www.gotquestions.org/jihad-Bible.html

     
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    Right -but you despise the teachings of Christ - blaspheme Jesus - and call "the Father" a Pagan God.

    Good thing you have that free pass - bestowed upon you from your Idol Martin - as Jesus did not have kind words for the False Prophet.
     
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    You are confusing God with the mistakes of the church. https://www.oneforisrael.org/bible-based-teaching-from-israel/martin-luther-israel-jewish-people/

     
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    Do not project your confusion onto me por favor :) You have called the God YHWH a Liar - because you were confused and did not remember that YHWH himself stated that Abraham did not call God by the name YHWH - and yet you claim Abraham did know the name YHWH.

    Perhaps it is this confusion that has lead you to blaspheme our lord and Savior Jesus - and call "The Father" a Pagan God.

    But - what does it matter -- the Idol you worship - Martin Luther - gave you a free pass .. No worries mate :)
     
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    Elohim is not a pagan term. Elohim is a Hebrew word for God. https://www.gotquestions.org/God-Most-High.html

     
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    Then why do you call the God of Jesus and Abraham a Pagan God - and Blaspheme our lord and savior putting the words of your Idol into his mouth - trying to substitute your Idol for the Truth - The Way - The light.

    Why do you call YHWH a Liar ?
     
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    Martin Luther is not my idol. He was a human being who made mistakes like everyone else.
     
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    You worship the Teachings of Martin - and have bet your salvation on these teachings - rejecting the teachings of Jesus and blaspheming our Lord .. rejected the God of Abraham as a Pagan God.

    Woe to those who commit the unforgivable sin says Jesus - but no worries mate Your Idol gave you a free pass.
     
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    Martin Luther was a human being, he wasn't God. https://www.oneforisrael.org/bible-based-teaching-from-israel/martin-luther-israel-jewish-people/

     
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    I dont worship Martin Luther's teachings. He said a lot of things that were wrong. https://www.oneforisrael.org/bible-based-teaching-from-israel/martin-luther-israel-jewish-people/

     
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    Because in some religions that believe in reincarnation, they believe people can come back as other non-human creatures.

    However, when we're talking specifically about Christianity, reincarnation is not biblical - as explained by the details in that verse we were quoting. From the dead, we will rise.....and in whatever form we may be (either using our old bodies, or as spirits, etc..,).....they will no longer be of this world.

    And, I was using the term "incarnate" in the Biblical sense - God incarnate (in Jesus Christ). He became man.
     
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    Perhaps you do not worship all of Marty's teachings .. but, you worship at least one - and have bet your whole life on this one teaching -

    Sold everything for a "Free Pass" through Judgement you have. .. blasphemed Jesus for the love of the Idol that Marty Created.
     
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    That can be the opinion of a Christian...but no more than that. Most Christian have been taught
    what the Bible says...what to believe..have heard the same ideas for so long that no one questions them anymore.
    Look at your quote below....
    You say we can't reincarnate in a different body or form (according to your Bible)...but we might "manifest as something else".
    A bit conflicting...is it not?
     
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    What credible opinion does a non-Christian have if the non-Christian have not studied or understood the verse(s)?
    Of course, Christians are the likely ones to make corrections, no?



    The issue is with REINCARNATION. Reincarnation is about REBIRTH!
    Read the verse that you quoted. It explained why it's not reincarnation.


    That's all I have to say. Review the verse that you've given.
     
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    No, it's not conflicting. You're trying to fit it in your preferred narrative - I think that's what the problem is.

    I used the term "manifest" because we don't know exactly how the rising of the dead will be like - if we're going to use our old bodies, or be something else like just spirit/soul.
    We're both speculating at this point, however - what is most definitely unbiblical is REINCARNATION.


    The verse you have quoted made that clear.

    "For we know that when this earthly tent we live in is taken down (that is, when we die and leave this earthly body), we will have a house in heaven, an eternal body made for us by God himself and not by human hands."



    When the dead rise at Judgment Day, they won't be "earthly."
     
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    But the definition of reincarnation does not eliminate ANYTHING in particular...including "an eternal body"
    nor does the definition specify the need to be "earthy".

    Reincarnation, also known as rebirth or transmigration, is the philosophical or religious belief that the non-physical essence of a living being begins a new life in a different physical form or body after biological death
     
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    No...Christians are the least likely to correct their beliefs.

    Why would a non-Christian opinion be any less credible than a Christian opinion.
     
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    Rebirth....
    The rebirth doctrine, sometimes referred to as reincarnation or transmigration, asserts that rebirth does not necessarily take place as another human being, but can also lead to an existence in one of the six realms of existence, which also include heaven realms, the animal realm, the ghost realm and hell realms

    The definition seems to cover quite a few options...including yours.
     
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    Maybe so....but I can say that "You're trying to fit it in your preferred narrative" just as easily as you can.
     
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    It still refers to REBIRTH! Read it!

    You forgot to include this part:



    Rebirth, as stated by various Buddhist traditions, is determined by karma, with good realms favored by kushala (good or skillful karma), while a rebirth in evil realms is a consequence of akushala (bad karma).


    The various Buddhist traditions throughout history have disagreed on what it is in a person that is reborn, as well as how quickly the rebirth occurs after each death.[4][9]


    Buddhism denies there is any such soul or self in a living being,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebirth_(Buddhism)




    You're trying to mix-and-match Buddhism with Christianity. Doesn't work that way.

    You believe what you want, gabmux. :shrug:
    I'm just simply telling you that in Christianity, reincarnation isn't biblical.

    Take it or leave it. :shrug:
     
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    What I'm postulating, is that ALL of the spiritual teachings are pointing to the same...not different reality.
    So called Christians...insist they are the ones with ALL the answers....
    and yet they are not like Christ at all....
    “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”
    ― Mahatma Gandhi

    Exchanging the word "manifesting" for "reincarnation" as you have done....does not really prove your point.
    Christians don't except the word "reincarnation" because it is associated with so called "heathen" religions.
    If Christians were anything like Christ, they would concentrate on their similarities with other teachings...not their differences.
     
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    Having the answers (like referring to what is written in the Scriptures),
    doesn't equate to becoming sinless. Lol. Where did you get that idea?

    That's the misconception of a lot of non-believers.
    They think to be a Christian is to be sinless. NOPE. No one is perfect.
    We can always try to be like Cjrist, but don't forget - HE IS PERFECT.

    Even His apostles struggled with temptation. We'll all struggle with it til the day we die.


    Furthermore, you're judging all Christians with the same brush.



    Who cares what Mahatma Gandhi said! That's his opinion.

    FYI, HYPOCRISY isn't exclusive to religious people.


    Lol. I certainly don't like his BUDDHIST compatriots!
    They gang-rape children and women.


    3 Buddhist monks gangrape 14-year-old girl in Kalimpong


    http://archive.indianexpress.com/news/3-buddhist-monks-gangrape-14yearold-girl-in-kalimpong/1101270/


    What is it about these people - simple raping isn't enough.

    It has to be........... GANG-RAPE!



    So, there.


    My point: I don't care about opinions - or, sins of people.

    GOD will be the judge!
     
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    I don't accept reincarnation simply because it isn't Biblical.


    The "Golden Rule" can also be associated with some pagan and non-Christian religions, and yet it is accepted by Christians.
    WHY? Because........it's in the Bible!
     
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    So there??
    Lol....

    The ideas of reincarnation and rebirth are really no different than your idea of....
    ....which you claim is Biblical.

    And while your use of giant rainbow colored fonts
    may suggest your expertise with a coloring book and a box of crayons...
    they do nothing to support your conclusion that rebirth/reincarnation
    is not possible for Christians.
     

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